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  J1958

I demand that you like me. I demand that you include me. I demand that you embrace me. I demand that you respect me. Funny stuff, huh?

You’re not OWED any of that crap. It’s not your right to be as admired as everyone else. The U.S. Constitution doesn’t require me to respect you. YOU HAVE TO EARN my respect. The way I feel about other people belongs to ME – not you and not the law, not the courts, not the Constitution.

If my wife doesn’t love me, it isn’t her fault. It’s mine. I lost her love because of the things I said and did while I knew her. If she was unreasonable, that’s her affair, and she has a right to be so. At the end of the day, no matter what she uses as a barometer, it’s still up to me to meet the standard she sets; not up to her to adjust her standard so that I’m loved.

Similarly, if certain white people do not respect black people, it’s no one’s fault but the black people. One cannot legislate respect, admiration, affection or emotional embrace. It must be earned.

Someone should have told that to the generations of black people who have sought to earn the respect of white people by demanding it. Instead of protesting and rioting in the absence of it; instead of insisting they be respected by virtue of the fact that they draw breath, they might have done better to teach their children to behave in a manner that wins it.

The current President is an excellent example of how a person born to grim circumstance can rise to the highest elected office in the country, regardless of what color he is. That’s enough. What more can be expected in the pursuit of an even break?

Personally, I’m sick to death of the protectionism race-baiters have extorted from the American public. On this site I can print every vile profanity I can think of…except one. A single “n-word” and I will be expelled with extreme prejudice. No one alive today has lived as an American slave. Nor should anyone alive today be exalted or maligned for the sins or injustices done to or by his father. I would like to know what makes this race of people so goddamn special that no one turns a head when I take the name of The Lord in vain, but one mention of the n-word (ala Paula Dean) and my life is in shambles.

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sugarnspice005

Jul 17 @ 2:18PM  
In other words:

If anyone wants respect, earn it. Don't fall back on history, race, or sex to bemoan the fact that one is not respected.

J1958

Jul 17 @ 2:19PM  
AHA! Now, you've got it, Watson!
sugarnspice005

Jul 17 @ 2:26PM  
Isn't too hard to figure out...it's something I've always thought.
TwistAndShout

Jul 17 @ 7:41PM  
Similarly, if certain white people do not respect black people, it’s no one’s fault but the black people.

So by that logic, for example, Colin Powell and Allen West bear responsibility for the disrespect some white people might feel for blacks in general. Not because either has lived a life that would earn disrespect - apparently the problem is that they must answer for black people who haven't.

I disagree with that logic. A person who can't assess an individual's character (by whatever standard they use), and instead use color as a shortcut, is an idiot, and I don't give much credit toward the opinions of idiots. Great people, as well as people who are assholes, come in all colors. You have to judge people individually.

Someone should have told that to the generations of black people who have sought to earn the respect of white people by demanding it.

J... If I've told you once, then I've told you, well, at least once, don't exaggerate.

When in doubt, go to the math. A generation is generally said to be 20-25 years or so. Using 1620 as a starting date for slavery, that means there have been about 16 generations of blacks in America.

Slavery lasted from about 1620 to 1865, 235 years. So those 10 generations of blacks weren't demanding anything. They weren't permitted to. And they would have had a tough time convincing the people who bought and sold them to respect them.

That was followed by 100 years of Jim Crow (enforced by law, by lynch mobs, and KKK terror) in the South, as well as legal discrimination that was practiced throughout the United States until it was prohibited by federal law in 1964. During Jim Crow there wasn't a lot of demanding going on either. It was a good way to get killed. That's four more generations that really didn't do much demanding.

So really we're talking about two out of sixteen generations of black Americans who even had the most remote chance to demand anything. And you have to admit, they had legitimate beef. It might not seem like much to you, but 335 years slavery, lynching, KKK mobs and legal marginalization was the pits. They're making up for the 14 generations of blacks that had to eat a lot of shit and say nothing.

I would like to know what makes this race of people so goddamn special that no one turns a head when I take the name of The Lord in vain, but one mention of the n-word (ala Paula Dean) and my life is in shambles.

Paula Deen has my sympathy. She was fired by Smithfield and the Food Network for admitting that growing up in the Jim Crow South, she used the N-word. I think she was treated unfairly. But they didn't do it because of any law. They did it to protect their bottom line. The fact is that people of all colors buy ham and watch cable TV, and they weren't taking any chances. Blame the cowardice of those companies, not the government.
J1958

Jul 17 @ 10:32PM  
You have to judge people individually.

No, I don’t. Neither do you. I judge people according to standards I set within my own values. To me, the entire issue rests upon this notion that someone else should have the authority to decide for me how I judge people. When you do not have the right to think as you wish, other rights are merely an illusion.

J... If I've told you once, then I've told you, well, at least once, don't exaggerate.

There is no way to exaggerate my angst over this ceaseless instruction from race-baiters in the U.S. about what I must use to make my own determinations.

we're talking about two out of sixteen generations of black Americans who even had the most remote chance to demand anything.

The opportunity to DEMAND respect that cannot be obtained by demands is no more wisely exercised in one generation than another. If today’s black activist is correct to complain about racial discrimination by white people, it should be plain that not even 50-years of DEMANDING will deliver the respect he believes is due. If he is NOT right, will he please shut the fuck up.

They're making up for the 14 generations of blacks that had to eat a lot of shit and say nothing.

THOSE people are dead just like the Jews who were enslaved by the Egyptians. Any shit eaten by THESE people, who are complaining, is eaten from the public trough and subsidized by people who work for a living. Rather than a never-ending parade of nagging, complaining, demanding, cry-baby outrage, I recommend a million-man march to DC designed to express gratitude to the tax-payers of this country for their largesse. This would substantially elevate my respect for black Americans.

Paula Deen has my sympathy. The fact is that people of all colors buy ham and watch cable TV, and they weren't taking any chances. Blame the cowardice of those companies, not the government.

I’m not “blaming”anyone. I’m ridiculing the inane propensity of some Americans to “twist” reality into a vision that benefits their interests and then “shout” from the rooftops their groundless discontent as a virtual profession – See Webster under “Al Sharpton”.
RJ53

Jul 18 @ 1:11AM  
Paula Deen has my sympathy.


I don't pity her one bit because the N word was the tip of the iceberg with that family, She was fired because there is litigation going on because of more recent racist actions by her and her brother in their places of business, I grew up with people like her and could bet you ten to one they are guilty, And being from the south is no excuse for anything in my book so people need to stop using it to explain away their bad behavior, I don't buy it and never did, Bad behavior and racism are what they are and too many people have been given a free pass,

Blacks, Native Americans and pretty everyone else with dark skin are pretty much disrespected by whites in this country in the past and now, They could walk on water and would not gain the respect they have rightfully earned, Things have not changed all that much because in case no one has noticed old Jim Crow is always lurking around the corner looking for a way in, I think the old white men are getting nervous that their power is slipping and they are going to take it out on minorities and women, Only thing is they are outnumbered now and it is not going to play very well to the new majority,
J1958

Jul 18 @ 1:39AM  
N word was the tip of the iceberg with that family (Paula Dean's), She was fired because there is litigation going on because of more recent racist actions by her and her brother in their places of business

I missed the statement by the network, indicating Dean was fired for the reasons you offer. Can you give me a source or a quote? I'd like to read their statement.

I grew up with people like her and could bet you ten to one they are guilty

Excuse please, but are you criticizing Dean for making prejudiced judgements about people based on the behavior of others in their orbit?

And being from the south is no excuse for anything in my book so people need to stop using it to explain away their bad behavior

Since when are people who live in the south responsible for adjusting their behavior and opinions so that they correspond more closely with people who live elsewhere?


Blacks, Native Americans and pretty (much) everyone else with dark skin are pretty much disrespected by whites in this country in the past and now

The term “disrespect” was coined to suggest respect is the norm – a thing we are all born with and, therefore, a lack of respect deserves a word all its own as if someone has been deprived of something to which they are entitled. In fact, respect is a thing which must be earned. There is no such thing as “disrespect,” except that the race-baiters have managed to squeeze it into the paranoid white lexicon, and it must now be used to identify a particular persuasion.

I think the old white men are getting nervous that their power is slipping

Uh huh…yanno, I was at an old white man’s meeting just the other day, and we came to the very same conclusion you have about our reprehensible behavior over the last 2-centuries. So we took a vote and decided to withdraw every invention, discovery and contribution we have made to the USA and go live somewhere else. It will be a better viewpoint from which to witness how you girls and the minorities you mentioned do. We have high hopes for you in view of the massive contributions you’ve made thus far. Just can't wait to see how you do without us geezers.
TwistAndShout

Jul 18 @ 5:20AM  
You have to judge people individually.

No, I don’t. Neither do you. I judge people according to standards I set within my own values. To me, the entire issue rests upon this notion that someone else should have the authority to decide for me how I judge people. When you do not have the right to think as you wish, other rights are merely an illusion.

Well, let me put it in a way that will be less likely to rankle your "don't tell me what to do" knee-jerk reaction.

My point was not that the law requires you to. Nor was my point that you have to use the same standards as everyone else. This is what I said:

A person who can't assess an individual's character (by whatever standard they use), and instead use color as a shortcut, is an idiot, and I don't give much credit toward the opinions of idiots.

The consequence of judging people by color is not that you'll go to jail. It's that you'll fuck it up and assume that Colin Powell is a gangbanger welfare bum. It merely makes you look really stupid.

THOSE people are dead just like the Jews who were enslaved by the Egyptians. Any shit eaten by THESE people, who are complaining, is eaten from the public trough and subsidized by people who work for a living.

First of all, do you even know any black people? The ones I know are middle class and live essentially like me - coworkers and neighbors. Not one is on welfare, not one is complaining about anything except dipshits who like to assume they're welfare bums.

Second, you have a poor understanding of the history of your own lifetime, J. Here in Virginia during our lifetimes they ate plenty of shit - until federal law prevented Virginia from imposing Jim Crow on them, and even then it took years after the law changed to put a stop to it. So no, it's not comparable to that biblical story you don't believe in.
RJ53

Jul 18 @ 6:17AM  
I think this pretty much shows why she was dropped by all these companies

No company wants to be in the middle of this mess and I don't blame them,
TwistAndShout

Jul 18 @ 7:55AM  
think this pretty much shows why she was dropped by all these companies

No company wants to be in the middle of this mess and I don't blame them,

Perhaps, but the legal action had been going on for a while and no action was taken. Anybody can sue anybody - the mere fact that a lawsuit is filed usually doesn't result in termination, and I don't believe it did here.

It was when, in her deposition, she admitted to having used the "N" word "a long time ago" that the brouhaha started.

I don't believe in trying to erase history. If you were a kid raised by parents who used racial epithets, chances are you did too, at least for a while. I personally wouldn't hold an admission of that out as cause for termination.


J1958

Jul 18 @ 11:02AM  
First of all, do you even know any black people? The ones I know are middle class and live essentially like me - coworkers and neighbors. Not one is on welfare , not one is complaining about anything except dipshits who like to assume they're welfare bums..

In that case…not one is among the folks on welfare who constantly complain. And that means they are not among the folks to whom I clearly refer. So…what do they have to do with the argument and what does their existence prove? And, by the way, do you even know any black people?

Second, you have a poor understanding of the history of your own lifetime, J. Here in Virginia during our lifetimes they ate plenty of shit - until federal law prevented Virginia from imposing Jim Crow on them,

You must forgive me. You see, I’m half Italian and black-haired at birth. This means one of my ancestors was raped by a Moor during the invasion of Sicily in 1499. Those Italians who were not raped by Moors are blonde and blue-eyed, in case you didn’t know. If I take seriously the black quarrel that today’s “African American” is due reparations of a kind for the horror done his ancestors, why am I not due reparations from blacks for what was done to my ancestor? I want an answer to this. If you think it’s silly, I agree, but doesn’t that make your argument silly as well?
TwistAndShout

Jul 18 @ 11:30AM  
My point is pretty obvious. You lump all blacks into the "on welfare" bucket. When you do, you malign those who work hard and achieve. You have this habit of making blanket statements that are ludicrous on their face, and then when you're called on it you deny that you said it, or at least act as if you never did.

And yeah, I know plenty of blacks, through work, through my neighborhood, and socially. None of them fit into your cartoonish version of what black people are. You need to leave the backwoods now and then. You'll be amazed by what you see.
J1958

Jul 18 @ 12:57PM  
You need to leave the backwoods now and then. You'll be amazed by what you see.

C’mon, amigo…this kind of patronizing vituperation adds nothing to a debate.

I hear you complaining about my tactics in the argument, but I’m pretty careful when I write. Usually, such a reaction as yours is caused by a failure to read as carefully as I write. I think we could dispatch your feeling that my method of argument is dubious, if you will merely paste passages that you question and ask for amplification.

In this case, a careful read will reveal my quarrel is with “race-baiters”, not with black people who must be incorporated into the argument as they are the subjects of the race-baiters…and so…the “disadvantaged”, the “disenfranchised” and the “disrespected” referred to by the race-baiters fall heir to an indictment designed to demonstrate they are not as entitled as the race-baiters claim. No slight to any race of people is intended.

And while we are challenging tactics…please resolve my issue about my ancestors and my entitlements by the same logic as we justify entitlements to blacks in America. It’s bothersome to field a serious question and get nothing back but nebulous insults, which fail to address the point. Don’t you have an answer?
J1958

Jul 18 @ 2:00PM  
Lemme add this, Twist…we’ll make more progress if you’ll stop whining about the manner in which I make my case and simply address the very clear question I put to you as it is plainly stated in the banner: “Who’s responsible for disrespect?”

It’s an important question because the Sharptons and the Jacksons are doing everything they can to create race riots by complaining that Zimmerman “disrespected” blacks during his encounter with Trayvon Martin. And an unconscionably ignorant, self-serving element of the black community is being moved by their rhetoric.

I want to know. Who is responsible for disrespect? Is it the respecter or the disrespected?
TwistAndShout

Jul 18 @ 7:16PM  
Usually, such a reaction as yours is caused by a failure to read as carefully as I write. I think we could dispatch your feeling that my method of argument is dubious, if you will merely paste passages that you question and ask for amplification.

I actually did, but I'll do it again.

In this case, a careful read will reveal my quarrel is with “race-baiters”, not with black people who must be incorporated into the argument as they are the subjects of the race-baiters…

Yes, J, I picked up on that you have a hard-on for Al Sharpton and his ilk. That isn't what I took you to task for.

The statement I took you to task for was the one in which you say blacks are to blame for the disrespect they get from some whites:

Similarly, if certain white people do not respect black people, it’s no one’s fault but the black people.

That was the basis of my comment that you fail to judge people as individuals. Did you say "it's no one's fault by the race baiters"? Nope. You blamed "the black people." Since you tell me you choose your words carefully (see quote at the top of this comment, since you insist that I annotate for you), I assume that it means precisely what it says.

By the way, when I said "You have to judge people individually," you said:


No, I don’t. Neither do you. I judge people according to standards I set within my own values. To me, the entire issue rests upon this notion that someone else should have the authority to decide for me how I judge people.

And it's clear you have a strong disrespect for black people collectively. When I responded that only the most recent 2 generations of blacks lived in a world where they didn't have to eat the shit fed to blacks by slave holders and Jim Crow southerners, you said:

Any shit eaten by THESE people, who are complaining, is eaten from the public trough and subsidized by people who work for a living.

So I responded by pointing out that you're lumping a lot of blacks who have never collected a dime of welfare in that bucket. And you then said:

In that case…not one is among the folks on welfare who constantly complain. And that means they are not among the folks to whom I clearly refer

Yeah J, I get that you have a problem with the people you consider to be race baiters. I never took issue with that.

But in the course of expressing that, you spewed a stream of broad-brushed racial invective. THAT's what I took issue with.







TwistAndShout

Jul 18 @ 7:20PM  


When I said "You have this habit of making blanket statements that are ludicrous on their face, and then when you're called on it you deny that you said it, or at least act as if you never did" here are some examples:

Take these two diametrically opposed quotes:

Similarly, if certain white people do not respect black people, it’s no one’s fault but the black people.

I’m not “blaming”anyone.

Or these two:

Any shit eaten by THESE people, who are complaining, is eaten from the public trough and subsidized by people who work for a living. Rather than a never-ending parade of nagging, complaining, demanding, cry-baby outrage, I recommend a million-man march to DC designed to express gratitude to the tax-payers of this country for their largesse. This would substantially elevate my respect for black Americans.

No slight to any race of people is intended.
TwistAndShout

Jul 18 @ 7:40PM  
And while we are challenging tactics…please resolve my issue about my ancestors and my entitlements by the same logic as we justify entitlements to blacks in America.

Sure, J... Here's what you said, lest you again pout about your carefully chosen words not being quoted directly:

Those Italians who were not raped by Moors are blonde and blue-eyed, in case you didn’t know. If I take seriously the black quarrel that today’s “African American” is due reparations of a kind for the horror done his ancestors, why am I not due reparations from blacks for what was done to my ancestor? I want an answer to this. If you think it’s silly, I agree, but doesn’t that make your argument silly as well?

It's really simple J. First, I never said blacks are due reparations. You've created a bit of a straw man there.

What I did say was the last two generations of blacks could be forgiven for being demanding since the previous 14 generations had been enslaved, lynched and terrorized and weren't in a position to make any demands.

Your silly claim that your ancestors 550 years ago must have been raped by blacks doesn't entitle you to reparations for one simple reason. It has had no effect on your life.

On the other hand, a black man who is say, 46 years old today is very likely the child of parents who went to bad, segregated schools and who were not eligible for the better paying jobs at the start of their careers because until the early 70's, when anti-discrimination laws began to make a difference, those jobs were effectively reserved for whites. That means he very likely grew up in poverty as a result of legally sanctioned discrimination. That also means he did start life at a disadvantage, and had to overcome that start.

I'm not arguing for reparations. I'm just saying your analogy is dumb.

TwistAndShout

Jul 18 @ 7:50PM  
Lemme add this, Twist…we’ll make more progress if you’ll stop whining about the manner in which I make my case and simply address the very clear question I put to you as it is plainly stated in the banner: “Who’s responsible for disrespect?”

You know, J, our mutual friend Cocktail, before he fell out of love with you, once accused me of not getting your "nuance." But as usual, he was dead wrong. Nuance is rarely evident in your thinking.

The answer is that sometimes it's the person doing the disrespecting who is responsible. Other times a person has earned the disrespect. In fact, the premise of your question, that it must always be either the disrespecter or the one being disrespected, is silly.

If someone disrespects blacks collectively because he sees them as criminals and welfare bums, and then applies that disrespect to a black man who works hard and abides by the law, that person is responsible for the disrespect. The black guy did nothing to earn it.
J1958

Jul 18 @ 11:59PM  
Twist…this is getting a little out of hand and too difficult to follow, but I’ll do my best.

You made 4-consecutive posts immediately preceding this post I am writing. Here’s my response to the first.

I appreciate the way in which you carefully logged the anatomy of the disagreement. It’s very helpful in developing a thoughtful response.

Try wiping the slate clean for a moment in the interest of reaching mutual understanding. We have run afoul of our essential agreement as to the harm done by the “race-baiters.”

Here’s how. To prove race-baiting rather than a struggle for equal rights is at the heart of racial discontent, I must address the baiters’ argument and demonstrate why it is bogus.

The contention of the baiters seems to be that ALL black people are entitled to the respect only a few have earned. To that extent, it is not I who makes a class judgment. It is the baiters. I am merely responding to their argument in the terms they have chosen.

We’re now well past the point at which blacks have equal rights under the law with whites. The rest of the argument concerns the way in which white people view black people. That is a private matter for each individual to weigh according to his own values. This arc of the black struggle rests on the shoulders of the disrespected. It is up to those who feel they are not getting respect to earn it. If a substantial percentage of black people do so over a period of time, the stigma will fade away on its own, UNLESS the race-baiters are permitted to prolong it.

Nevertheless, the quest for entitlements and black reparations goes on. And now, the race-baiters are, in kind, petitioning lawmakers to legislate the way in which American citizens think. It is not YET illegal to think as a bigot. But if you are convicted of a crime and it can be proven that you think like a bigot, additional time may be tacked onto your sentence. This additional time is not for the crime you have committed. It is for the way in which you think. This is the seed of my objection and my attempt to quantify it. George Zimmerman had every right to be a bigot in his thinking. His actions must be judged independent of his personal philosophy about race. Did he break the law or not? Yet, the central question in the trial was Zimmerman’s attitude about race.

We are only a whisker away from a law which imprisons for no reason other than illegal thinking. And technology is only a whisker away from an implant that taps your brain and sends information about what you think to a central data bank. Please…please…don’t make 1984 come true. If you are not prepared to fight for your right to think as you wish, what freedom ARE you prepared to fight for?
J1958

Jul 19 @ 12:51AM  
As to Twist’s second post:

Take these two diametrically opposed quotes:

Similarly, if certain white people do not respect black people, it’s no one’s fault but the black people.

I’m not “blaming”anyone.

I see no contradiction whatever, Twist. I offered a hypothetical situation and speculated about how I would feel in a hypothetical context. But, of course, the statement concerned the responsibility of black people to earn the respect they demand from white people

The second comment about blame, which you jerked out of context, referred to the sponsors who dropped Paula Dean for using the “n-word”.

Are you just confused, or are you playing to the grandstand and relying on the reader’s unwillingness to go back and check the context of the quote? That’s not only sneaky and slimey, it’s pointless, considering how tiny the audience for this exchange is.

You also have a problem with the following two quotes of mine:

#1 - Any shit eaten by THESE people, who are complaining, is eaten from the public trough and subsidized by people who work for a living. Rather than a never-ending parade of nagging, complaining, demanding, cry-baby outrage, I recommend a million-man march to DC designed to express gratitude to the tax-payers of this country for their largesse. This would substantially elevate my respect for black Americans.

#2 - No slight to any race of people is intended.

Again, I see no conflict. One clearly refers to “black Americans” and the other refers to a race of people. The black people in Africa are not responsible for the presumptions of those living in America, nor do I hold them accountable.

I would like to repeat, Twist…I write carefully. We would quarrel less, if you read with as much care.

J1958

Jul 19 @ 1:10AM  
On Twist's 3rd post preceding this:

I'm not arguing for reparations. I'm just saying your analogy is dumb.

I think the entire idea of my son paying your son for some deed I did to you is dumb. I hoped to make the point about how ridiculous it is by noting the absurdity of reparations to me for what Moors did to my Italian ancestors hundreds of years ago.

Who is to be the judge of how much time must pass before pay-back is no longer due? You?

Who is to prosecute white plantation owners for legally engaging in commerce under laws enacted to regulate commerce?

Who is to hold the parents of black Africans who sold their children into slavery responsible for their part in the deed?

And FYI, I disdain slavery with the same vigor I disdain a law which instructs a man in business about who he must hire or a bigot about who he is not permitted to hate. And I deplore all such activity for the same reason – I cherish freedom.
J1958

Jul 19 @ 1:45AM  
To Twist's 4th post preceding this:

The answer is that sometimes it's the person doing the disrespecting who is responsible.

If someone disrespects blacks collectively because he sees them as criminals and welfare bums, and then applies that disrespect to a black man who works hard and abides by the law, that person is responsible for the disrespect. The black guy did nothing to earn it.

Who do you propose to arbitrate that dispute? How do you get to the notion that your personal values should regulate the assignment of respect one person should have for another, or for a race of people?

Here’s a plain truth, Twist: No one is infallible. We all miscalculate from time to time. But a wise individual learns along the way and makes adjustments according to his experiences. Then, he arranges the odds in his favor wherever he can.

Can you follow this example?

If I keep track of the dates who stood me up after meeting on the net, and I find that 80% of them live over 50 miles from me, I simply stop making dates with women who live more than 50-miles from me.

Twenty percent of future possibilities living further away will be unjustly punished. But my goal is not to arrange my life so that the other people in the world get a fair shake. It’s to learn from failure, make adjustments and profit from the additional wisdom.

If making prejudiced decisions was entirely disallowed, there would be no more science, inasmuch as mistake-adjustment-profit is the way in which we have built our entire civilization from the invention of the wheel forward.

The only thing wrong with prejudging situations AND people is enduring the whining eternally spat from the lips of the disadvantaged minority. “Fair” is a concept confined to the playground and the Fox News marketing department. Sensible people do not stick their hand in a fire that just burned them to see if there are parts of the fire cool enough to endure.

And, I might add, the ability to “read” people and pre-determine how they might behave is what separates a successful employer from a failure. If you really scorn it that much, try this: The next time you are walking down a dark alley and see 4-black men with their britches around their knees walking toward you, walk right up to them and say, “Howdy, fellas. Nice night, huh.”
countonit9

Jul 19 @ 3:28AM  
You two would make the perfect couple........LOL>>>>>>>>>
TwistAndShout

Jul 19 @ 5:35AM  
You also have a problem with the following two quotes of mine:

#1 - Any shit eaten by THESE people, who are complaining, is eaten from the public trough and subsidized by people who work for a living. Rather than a never-ending parade of nagging, complaining, demanding, cry-baby outrage, I recommend a million-man march to DC designed to express gratitude to the tax-payers of this country for their largesse. This would substantially elevate my respect for black Americans.

#2 - No slight to any race of people is intended.

Again, I see no conflict. One clearly refers to “black Americans” and the other refers to a race of people. The black people in Africa are not responsible for the presumptions of those living in America, nor do I hold them accountable.

Oh, well then. You're not a racist, because you only make the collective assumption that all the black people who live in America are welfare bums.

I could continue to respond to the dumb, dogmatic, and totally circular arguments you make, but obviously there's no point. You just make more bad analogies and demand that they be responded to.

And while I must admit that your connecting of your experience of having women repeatedly stand you up for dates with the usefulness of your racial prejudice in judging individuals had me laughing out loud, it's too stupid to be worth demolishing.

So I'm not going to bother with it further. You have far too much time and far too little contact with reality.
J1958

Jul 19 @ 6:56AM  
So I'm not going to bother with it further. You have far too much time and far too little contact with reality.

I think that’s best. Clearly, you’re in over your head, and the more time you spend on it the more inept you seem.

My only regret is that you didn’t learn the most valuable thing available in the argument. When you run out of ammo, it’s best to lay down your weapon and give yourself up. At least you march into captivity with your dignity intact. Shouting epithets over your shoulder as you run into the forest with your tail between your legs usually results in a replay of the episode with the names changed, and it happens repeatedly, until you can’t stand the look of your own face in the mirror. Someday, you will see your reflection moving it’s lips and hear yourself whisper, “…coward.”

When you make a mistake, LEARN. Then, make an adjustment and try again strengthened by the modification.

QUESTION: How do you know when you have been wrong?

ANSWER: When you run out of argument.
J1958

Jul 19 @ 6:56AM  
So I'm not going to bother with it further. You have far too much time and far too little contact with reality.

I think that’s best. Clearly, you’re in over your head, and the more time you spend on it the more inept you seem.

My only regret is that you didn’t learn the most valuable thing available in the argument. When you run out of ammo, it’s best to lay down your weapon and give yourself up. At least you march into captivity with your dignity intact. Shouting epithets over your shoulder as you run into the forest with your tail between your legs usually results in a replay of the episode with the names changed, and it happens repeatedly, until you can’t stand the look of your own face in the mirror. Someday, you will see your reflection moving it’s lips and hear yourself whisper, “…coward.”

When you make a mistake, LEARN. Then, make an adjustment and try again strengthened by the modification.

QUESTION: How do you know when you have been wrong?

ANSWER: When you run out of argument.
TwistAndShout

Jul 19 @ 7:53AM  
I think that’s best. Clearly, you’re in over your head, and the more time you spend on it the more inept you seem.

While it must be comforting for you to declare yourself the winner (since you do it on a regular basis), that's not the reason I choose not to argue with you further.

Basically, J, the problem is that you have mental constipation. Simply put, your brain hasn't taken a shit since 1958. Consequently, it's clogged with foul excrement that's been ripening for over five decades.

You need a mental enema, but I don't feel like giving it to you. I'd suggest you go to Walmart and request one. They may look puzzled at first, but once you start ranting that they didn't properly thank you, they'll recognize the symptoms.

Seriously, there's nothing new about race-baiting bigots (yeah, I mean you) inventing arguments to justify racial animosity. You and Al Sharpton have that in common.
J1958

Jul 19 @ 2:30PM  
Basically, J, the problem is that you have mental constipation. Simply put, your brain hasn't taken a shit since 1958. Consequently, it's clogged with foul excrement that's been ripening for over five decades.

While I find it comforting to know there is someone out there monitoring my toilet activity, I believe only self-analysis can have led you to the belief that the brain is a repository for excrement. It explains much of the material coming out of your mouth. Now, let’s either get a room or enjoy your promise to dry up and blow away. You are well past your quotient for sensible remarks.
theSkwirl

Jul 20 @ 8:33PM  
Wow, we agree on something, finally. I owe you nothing. You owe me nothing.
TwistAndShout

Jul 21 @ 9:41AM  
The only thing wrong with prejudging situations AND people is enduring the whining eternally spat from the lips of the disadvantaged minority.

“I used to think the world was broken down by tribes,' I said. 'By Black and White. By Indian and White. But I know this isn't true. The world is only broken into two tribes: the people who are assholes and the people who are not.”

Sherman Alexie
J1958

Jul 21 @ 11:49AM  
“I used to think the world was broken down by tribes,' I said. 'By Black and White. By Indian and White. But I know this isn't true. The world is only broken into two tribes: the people who are assholes and the people who are not.”

Sherman Alexie

I guess even Sherman had days when he couldn't think of anything intelligent to say, so he surrendered to name-calling. But I doubt he was ever so thin-witted he had to quote other people's name-calling to make his point.

Still, he was a bit of a dolt, inasmuch as anyone who once believed the world was divided into two camps, the blacks and white, or the red and white would certainly qualify for the sobriquet.

I always believed the world could be divided into two camps, myself. But I believed and STILL DO believe the two camps are the males and the females. Amazingly, I'm outnumbered by folks like yourself who have been persuaded there is no difference at all.
TwistAndShout

Jul 21 @ 12:47PM  
But I believed and STILL DO believe the two camps are the males and the females. Amazingly, I'm outnumbered by folks like yourself who have been persuaded there is no difference at all.

Except I haven't been persuaded of that, it's not my opinion, and I've never expressed that. As I said, you have far too little contact with reality. I suspect you also have very little contact with females.
J1958

Jul 21 @ 3:41PM  
I suspect you also have very little contact with females.

Let me help you. I have very little contact with people, including the females. I looked at them and talked to them for about sixty years, and then decided I’d seen enough. It’s harmful to one’s objectivity, and none of them have anything I want.

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