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Whoever thinks Obama had nothing to do with the IRS going after conservative groups, I have a bridge I would like to sell them.

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Wordsofwit

May 13 @ 6:47PM  
I have a bridge I would like to see them.

Didn't you mean ''sell '' not ''see ''

My first thought is that some underlings went a bit rogue kind of like Iran Contra and he didn't know about it just as Reagan didn't. Nixon is the only one besides J Edgar Hoover I know of that would do something like that. But all of that is impressions and I, myself, and going to watch to see how all of this unfolds before passing judgment.
StraddleMyNose

May 13 @ 8:06PM  
Typo on my part, Bruce. I was on the phone when typing that blog out.

Going to change it right now.

I'm pretty sure Obama had a lot to do with this.
sugarnspice005

May 13 @ 9:00PM  
I haven't really been watching the news lately, so I don't know any of the details of what is going on here.

Would I be surprised by any elected official doing anything like this? No, I wouldn't. I'll probably check it out later, and see how it plays out. If Obama indeed has his hand in this, then he should face the consequences. If he didn't, then he didn't.
Wordsofwit

May 13 @ 11:10PM  
You can bet that the entirety of the fourth estate is watching this issue. Hell, for all we know there could be improprieties in the tax filings and justified investigations resulted. All I am saying is let's see how this plays out before passing judgment.
MsPat

May 14 @ 12:07AM  
Obama addressed it very sternly today. Seemed surprised and annoyed. It wouldn't surprise me if he didn't know anything about it. I think a lot goes on that he doesn't know about. Could be part of the reason he got voted back in .. because he's easily fooled.
THEDrcocktail

May 14 @ 2:07AM  
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Last Known Use of FOURTH ESTATE

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THEDrcocktail

May 14 @ 2:20AM  
Oslama stated today that he first learned of the IRS Invasion on Friday from the news media. Interesting......#1 he reads......#2 He must never turn around because the liberal media is so far up his ass he'd need a Turkish Sauna to take a crap.
MsPat

May 14 @ 3:35AM  
#1 he reads.

are you kidding he can't work that into his busy schedule. Hell he can't even make a speech unless someone writes it for him ... then tells him what reactions to use while he's giving it.
somnium

May 14 @ 10:04AM  
My first thought is that some underlings went a bit rogue

I find it really hard to believe that these "underlings" would go a bit "rogue" for fear of suffering consequences for their actions, without someone above them telling them what to do first! It's not impossible that these "underlings" could have been made scapegoats, if something were to go wrong after being told to, oh... I don't know,... ILLEGALLY WIRE TAPPING phone lines!

Also, this isn't the first time Obama has used the lame reasoning of "finding events through the newspapers! Are you KIDDING me?? If he gets serious events news through the newspapers, then he is out of touch with the 'pulse' of the planet! That, in itself, is a major problem!!


sugarnspice005

May 14 @ 11:10AM  
Hell he can't even make a speech unless someone writes it for him ...

All Presidents have speech writers. I remember one that wrote speeches for President Bush being interviewed. They get the assignment, write the speech, the President goes over it, and points out what he feels needs changing etc..Although Obama is the first I've noticed rely heavily on the teleprompters, before that, all the others read off their notes they have in front of them.

As to this with the IRS, like I said before, I'll wait for the facts of the case before making any judgment.
Wordsofwit

May 14 @ 12:50PM  
I find it really hard to believe that these "underlings" would go a bit "rogue" for fear of suffering consequences for their actions, without someone above them telling them what to do first!

I find that statement to be incredulous as it pertains to the POTUS knowing about it. Who is busier than the man in the White House? It is impossible for any president to ride herd on everybody down below in the chain of command of the myriad of bureaucracies.

Even if a president was as devious and paranoid like Nixon, there isn't enough time in the day to devote to cooking up such a schemes, especially one that could bring down a presidency

As for rogue underlings, how about Oliver North during the Reagan administration and ''Scooter '' Libby during the tenure of George W. Bush (I give Bush credit for not pardoning Libby when he left office ).

I am not singling out republican presidents in these citations as I am sure that there have been many over the years involving every party. These are just the ones that I am recalling right now.

My point is that you get dogmatic, OC, zealous rogue ego trippers that hatch these schemes. Often they about three to six levels down that become over zealous renegades regardless of the political party they are in.

Let's just see how this plays out before projecting a smoking gun. After all, it is under the microscope. When all is said and done someone will be going down for whoever was responsible for whatever it turns out to be. That might possibly be someone in the Tea Party engaging in shady accounting and tax filing for all we know. We don't know anything yet beyond the fact that it happened
RJ53

May 14 @ 2:37PM  
I find it really hard to believe that these "underlings" would go a bit "rogue"


That would not shock me at all if that is what did happen, I have known enough small time government officials who would take it upon themselves to pull crap like this thinking no one would trace it back to them, It happens more than you think.

But some of these new groups were on the borderline of doing things not allowed for a tax exempt status as i have seen in a couple of interviews where they were dancing around all the questions instead of answering them, Could be a few red flags went up and someone went overboard on investigating, There were over 3000 groups applying for tax exempt status and most of them were under the Tea Party, So I am going to wait and see how all of this came about,
MsPat

May 14 @ 3:01PM  
Yes Sugar I know there have always been speech writers ... but I'm finding him hard to take him serious anymore. In 2008 I did but he has proven to me he's just another run of the mill politician who has been put into office because he is easily manipulated.
THEDrcocktail

May 14 @ 3:59PM  
I'll wait for the facts of the case before making any judgment.


That's liberal speak for "IF we can drag it out long enough it may go away".
sugarnspice005

May 14 @ 4:17PM  

That's liberal speak for "IF we can drag it out long enough it may go away".

No, that is what is called waiting for the facts, not being a blind loyalist to either side of the issue. Unlike you.


StraddleMyNose

May 14 @ 10:17PM  
Obama and his press secretary over the past few days have been using the word "if" regarding whether or not the IRS did what they did. The IRS has already admitted to this, and yet Obama is dragging his feet on applying more pressure on the IRS and getting to the bottom of this fiasco (like he had nothing to do with any of this....riiighhhhttttt). "If"???!!! Giving me a break!
sugarnspice005

May 15 @ 12:58PM  
Eric Holder had a press conference today saying there will now be a criminal investigation into this.
somnium

May 15 @ 4:29PM  
I find that statement to be incredulous as it pertains to the POTUS knowing about it.

No it doesn't! My statement was geared towards the "underling's" immediate supervisor in the 'low level' department of the IRS! Just because I said "someone above them," one doesn't automatically have to assume the POTUS was the one I was referring to! That assumption right there, is "incredulous" in itself!

xquseme

May 15 @ 9:23PM  
Mr. Obama is learning the hard way that politics in Washington don't work the same
way as they do in Chicago. In Chi Town, it's business as usual; in Washington DC, there
are TOO MANY eyes watching what's going on!

How long has the TEA party been proclaiming that they had been infiltrated, only to be
dismissed as paranoid ravings?!? Maybe the chickens are coming home to roost!

My only regret is that if the current POTUS is removed, we'll end up with Vice POTUS
as our new prez!
xquseme

May 16 @ 6:52PM  
Don't you just love smoking guns?
StraddleMyNose

May 16 @ 7:14PM  
Senate Dems Have as Much to Explain as the IRS


By Brian Walsh
May 14, 2013 RSS Feed Print Comment (56)


With Washington gripped by a trio of exploding scandals this week – from Benghazi to government spying on news outlets to thug tactics by the Internal Revenue Service – Senate Democrats seem to be hoping that if they just yell loud enough then voters will overlook a key role they played in at least one of them.


They quickly sensed the political toxicity associated with Friday's admission by the IRS that they selectively targeted conservative organizations for special government scrutiny, and so Democrats didn't waste any time springing into action. Senate Finance Committee Chairman Max Baucus of Montana, for example, vowed congressional hearings and called the IRS actions "an outrageous abuse of power and a breach of the public's trust."

He was joined by a chorus of other Democrats including Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire who called it "completely unacceptable," Kay Hagan of North Carolina who called it "disturbing and troubling," and Mark Pryor of Arkansas who tweeted that he's "working to get to bottom of this so we can fire those responsible & ensure this never happens again."

Fortunately, voters won't need to look very far.The willful ignorance and revisionist history demonstrated by Senate Democrats on this issue has been breathtaking, even by Washington standards.



Over the last three years, Democratic senators repeatedly and publicly pressured the IRS to engage in the very activities that they are only now condemning today. At the same time, Republicans repeatedly and publicly warned against this abuse of government power and pointed to a series of red flags that strongly suggested conservative political organizations were being targeted by the IRS. Those warnings were deliberately ignored by the Obama administration and Democratic leaders in Congress.

As the New York Times reported back in 2010 :


With growing scrutiny of the role of tax-exempt groups in political campaigns, Congressional Republicans are pushing back against Democrats by warning about the possible misuse of the Internal Revenue Service to audit conservative groups….And the Republicans are also upset about an I.R.S. review requested by Senator Max Baucus, the Montana Democrat who leads the Finance Committee, into the political activities of tax-exempt groups. Such a review threatens to "chill the legitimate exercise of First Amendment rights," wrote two Republican senators, Orrin G. Hatch of Utah and Jon Kyl of Arizona, in a letter sent to the I.R.S. on Wednesday. ... Democrats dismissed the Republicans' complaints as groundless.


You read that correctly.

The same Democratic chairman of the Senate Finance Committee who this week is calling for hearings into IRS activities, specifically called on the IRS to engage in that very conduct back in 2010. And he wasn't the only one. Just last year, a group of seven Senate Democrats sent another letter to the IRS urging them to similarly investigate these outside political organizations.

As the New York Times also reported just one week before they sent this letter:


The Internal Revenue Service is caught in an election-year struggle between Democratic lawmakers pressing for a crackdown on nonprofit political groups and conservative organizations accusing the tax agency of conducting a politically charged witch hunt.

Voters in New Hampshire may be interested to learn that Jeanne Shaheen was among the signatories of that letter urging action by the IRS.


So lost amid the hubbub surrounding the news that the IRS engaged in McCarthyite tactics to target specific political groups, and their subsequent apology for those tactics, has been the fact that the lobbying campaign from Senate Democrats actually worked.

From Max Baucus to Chuck Schumer to Jeanne Shaheen, key Senate Democrats publicly pressured the IRS to target groups that held differing political views and who, in their view, had the temerity to engage in the political process. The IRS listened to them and acted. And other Democrat senators like Kay Hagan and Mark Pryor said and did nothing about it.

Perhaps their strategy of distraction may work in the short-term with a Washington press corps pulled in a multitude of different directions, but Senate Democrats have a serious political problem that will haunt them as they head into an already-difficult election cycle. When these Senate Finance Committee hearings come to pass it would be a remarkable act of bravery and candor for one of these IRS bureaucrats to appropriately ask Max Baucus and others why they're not sitting at the witness tables next to them, instead of continuing in their charade of faux outrage.

Because Senate Democrats today have just as much explaining to do as the IRS.



The story
MsPat

May 16 @ 7:41PM  
Over the last three years, Democratic senators repeatedly and publicly pressured the IRS to engage in the very activities that they are only now condemning today.


Now why am I not surprised .. don't you see a pattern here... he chooses not to call them cover ups ..he just don't want to talk about "anything" right now. We are only suppose to know what he wants us to know.
StraddleMyNose

May 16 @ 8:00PM  
The IRS admits to ‘targeting’ conservative groups, but were they also ‘leaking’?


A little over a year ago, I reported that, ”It is likely that someone at the Internal Revenue Service illegally leaked confidential donor information showing a contribution from Mitt Romney’s political action committee to the National Organization for Marriage, says the group.”

Now — on the heels of news the IRS’s apology for having targeted conservative groups — NOM is renewing their demand that the Internal Revenue Service reveal the identity of the people responsible.

“There is little question that one or more employees at the IRS stole our confidential tax return and leaked it to our political enemies, in violation of federal law,” said NOM’s president Brian Brow, in a prepared statement. “The only questions are who did it, and whether there was any knowledge or coordination between people in the White House, the Obama reelection campaign and the Human Rights Campaign. We and the American people deserve answers.”


Recent reports indicate the IRS may have begun targeting conservative groups as early as 2010.

In a 2012 speech, Sen. Mitch McConnell noted, “The head of one national advocacy group has released documents which show that his group’s confidential IRS information found its way into the hands of a staunch critic on the Left who also happens to be a co-chairman of President Obama’s re-election committee. The only way this information could have been made public is if someone leaked it from inside the IRS.”

And so, the next question may be this: If the IRS was targeting conservative groups — as they now admit to doing — were they also leaking information?

UPDATE: In December of 2012, ProPublica wrote that they had obtained the application for recognition of tax-exempt status for Crossroads GPS, filed in September of 2010.




“‘As far as we know, the Crossroads application is still pending, in which case it seems that either you obtained whatever document you have illegally, or that it has been approved,’ Jonathan Collegio, the group’s spokesman, said in an email.



“The IRS sent Crossroads’ application to ProPublica in response to a public-records request. The document sent to ProPublica didn’t include an official IRS recognition letter, which is typically attached to applications of nonprofits that have been recognized. The IRS is only required to give out applications of groups recognized as tax-exempt.



“In an email Thursday, an IRS spokeswoman said the agency had no record of an approved application for Crossroads GPS, meaning that the group’s application was still in limbo.

http://dailycaller.com/2013/05/13/the-irs-admits-to-targeting-conservative-groups-but-were-they-also-leaking/
sugarnspice005

May 16 @ 9:42PM  
This is a letter sent from Michigan's own Representatives Dave Camp (R) and Sander Levin (D) to the IRS on May 14, 2013:

It's a PDF file

From newsletter I signed up for from Dave Camp

I've commented before that I always vote for Dave Camp. I have voted for him since 99 or 2000 when I had an issue with Michigan's Treasury Department, and got fed up with their run-a-round, and I wrote Mr. Camp's office via email. The next day, I had a reply from his office about looking into the matter, and within a week of that, the issue was resolved. He's had my vote since.

The first link is a PDF file, it's the actual letter sent by Rep. Camp and Levin. And btw, Dave Camp is the Chairman of the Ways and Means Committee.
TheDrcocktail1

May 22 @ 12:09AM  
MARK MY WORDS! This one is going to stick. The IRS scandal is full of oxygen. His legacy is now one of corruption, greed and a lack of regard for individual freedom. His answers read like a skit of "Who's on First" by Abbott and Costello.

"There is no there, there".
"I don't know".
"Let's wait until all the facts are in".
"This is just politically fabricated".
"What does it matter now?".

When you're 20 you think with your heart like any liberal. But when you're 40 you begin to think with your head like a conservative.

Oslama was elected by the people hoping for change. They got it. He was elected by the poor.....they're poorer. He was elected by the seemingly well meaning who now will sit back and wait for all the facts will to come in.....that validates (to them) their stupidity for their vote.The under educated and clueless who couldn't tell you the vice presidents name (interview of a 20 year old student at the Univ of Berkeley, highly accredited). Does Oslama have a party affiliation......no, just an agenda. His party is heading for the hills, eg. Senator Baucas, who will not run in 2014: "The Senate Finance Committee chairman sets the standard. As chairman of that tax-writing panel, Baucus led the effort to craft and pass Obamacare through the Senate. So it made news last month when he called the health care law “a huge train wreck coming down.” His candor reflects the reality he sees on the ground".

WILL he be impeached? Not by the senate. He's officially a lame duck already, too busy covering his butt for his incompetence. I think he'll last through his term, but as for his LEGACY? Carter's might be better then his, and Nixon's will pale by comparison for oslama's violation of the Constitution and Americans right to freedom.
Unfortunately we're still left with an unknowing, under educated and a welfare populace that's growing every day. If only he could just redistribute wealth.....imagine that....a nation of weaning, whining sucklings crying for their handouts in more and more liberal doses. Addicts all.
TheDrcocktail1

May 22 @ 2:32AM  
Lois Lerner, the director of the IRS division that singled out conservative groups, is expected to invoke the Fifth Amendment Wednesday when she appears before the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee, Fox News has learned.
That means Lerner, head of the exempt organizations division, probably won’t answer any questions on what she knew about IRS agents going after Tea Party-related groups. That also means she probably won’t say why she sat on the information for so long before it became public.
Lerner’s attorney William Taylor III asked committee Chairman Darrell Issa, R-Calif., in a letter if she could skip Wednesday’s hearing since she would be pleading the Fifth.
Taylor argued in the letter that forcing Lerner to appear “would have no purpose other than to embarrass or burden her.”



God forbid we burden her like she burdened the tax payers she singled out. Just one more despicable abuse of power by this administration. Is this really "the land of the free"? Well, let's wait for the facts after tomorrows hearing.....oh wait, there won't be any facts, just more delays and denials and more democrats dodging the bullets.

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