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While trying to explain why women in college don’t need firearms for self-defense on campus, Colorado state Rep. Joe Salazar said even if women feel like they might be raped, their suspected attacker might not actually have intent to rape. So please, put the guns away ladies.

“It’s why we have call boxes, it’s why we have safe zones, it’s why we have the whistles. Because you just don’t know who you’re gonna be shooting at,” he said during a legislative hearing. “And you don’t know if you feel like you’re gonna be raped, or if you feel like someone’s been following you around or if you feel like you’re in trouble and when you may actually not be, that you pop out that gun and you pop — pop a round at somebody.”

The flaws in Salazar’s argument are obvious. No gun-free zone has stopped a deranged killer, just like a “safe zone” wouldn’t stop a rapist from assaulting a woman.

Salazar has since apologized if he offended anyone with his remarks. However, he still maintains that guns don’t make people safer on campus.

“I’m sorry if I offended anyone. That was absolutely not my intention,” Salazar said, according to KDVR-TV. “We were having a public policy debate on whether or not guns makes people safer on campus. I don’t believe they do. That was the point I was trying to make. If anyone thinks I’m not sensitive to the dangers women face, they’re wrong.”

“I am a husband and father of two beautiful girls, and I’ve spent the last decade defending women’s rights as a civil rights attorney. Again, I’m deeply sorry if I offended anyone with my comments,” he added.

The folks over at RedState provide some self-defense statistics that are relevant to the issue:


In the vast majority of those self-defense cases, the citizen will only brandish the gun or fire a warning shot.

In less than 8% of those self-defense cases will the citizen will even wound his attacker.

Over 1.9 million of those self-defense cases involve handguns.

As many as 500,000 of those self-defense cases occur away from home.

Almost 10% of those self-defense cases are women defending themselves against sexual assault or abuse.

In somewhat related news, the University of Colorado-Colorado Springs (the same state that Salazar represents) is offering some advice to students who may get attacked on campus, at home or on the road. You can “tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating,” vomit or urinate or you can kick off your shoes and run away.

Here’s the full list:


1. Be realistic about your ability to protect yourself.
2. Your instinct may be to scream, go ahead! It may startle your attacker and give you an opportunity to run away.
3. Kick off your shoes if you have time and can’t run in them.
4. Don’t take time to look back; just get away.
5. If your life is in danger, passive resistance may be your best defense.
6. Tell your attacker that you have a disease or are menstruating.
7. Vomiting or urinating may also convince the attacker to leave you alone.
8. Yelling, hitting or biting may give you a chance to escape, do it!
9. Understand that some actions on your part might lead to more harm.
10. Remember, every emergency situation is different. Only you can decide which action is most appropriate.

None of the University of Colorado’s advice mentions legally obtaining a firearm and the necessary training, even if just for home defense.

The Blaze

Nothing wrong with a woman fighting back such as hitting, biting, kicking, and screaming. I think a woman would be better prepared with having a gun permit to carry a gun almost anywhere. Mace also works. Why not encourage women to do this instead of limiting them and giving them a little whistle?

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pinklipstick2

Feb 19 @ 11:57AM  
Who is to hear and answer the whistle. I wish there was a clear cut answer to this but there is not . It depends on the female and how well she does in a crisis. Then know one knows for sure till it happens what strenght comes from within .
elbachelor

Feb 19 @ 12:24PM  
As society grows, problems like this are going to increase. Some amount of common sense has to come into play. There is no way to stop predators from attacking. You can do everything possible to protect people, but there is no way to foresee the future.
soft_touch938

Feb 19 @ 2:24PM  
I plan on spending more time this summer in the 'wilderness'...if there's such a thing here in Indiana. That would be walking trails in the parks and walking around isolated ponds.

I will carry a stun gun which I already have and I plan on getting some pepper spray. As for a gun? I dunno...I can't imagine me shooting anyone for one thing.

I've heard of cases where an attacker was shot several times and it didn't stop his forward momentum...it doesn't always stop them unless you get lucly and actually kill them. I'm guessing, in the heat of the moment, fear would affect ones accuracy. Then there's the ones that get their gun taken from them and get shot with their own gun.

A stun gun takes actual body contact so the attacker would have to be close. I think pepper spray is the best bet for a woman.

I think, as for all the suggestions on how to deal with an attack, it comes down to instinct...follow your gut....do whatever it takes to survive. If an attacker has already decided he's out to kill you no matter what then scaring him off probably won't happen. But otherwise, a woman needs to take whatever action she thinks will work...just follow her instincts.
StraddleMyNose

Feb 19 @ 2:46PM  
Ya know, I totally forgot about adding stun guns with another way for people to defend themselves with.
RJ53

Feb 19 @ 2:50PM  
I do not think students should be carrying guns on campus period, I can see someone shooting someone who just happened to be walking in the same direction because they panicked and thought they were being followed, And with college in many cases comes drinking and trust me I have seen enough keg parties to know none of those people need to be armed, I have seen brawls break out at college games. Do we really want to have these people armed and dangerous?

I actually have no problem with responsible gun ownership by responsible adults of normal weapons (not military grade that could take out half the block in a few seconds) But mixing a bunch of college students and guns is a bad idea no matter how you look at it,
StraddleMyNose

Feb 19 @ 6:09PM  
Rhonda, we have young adults that serve in the military at 18 years old that carry guns.

With proper gun training it requirers to carry a firearm permit, that should reduce chances of stupidity happening among these college students.

I do think mace, a stungun, and self defense are probably more appropriate on a college campus, but then when we're talking about crime and what could happen to an innocent college student. I see nothing wrong with having a gun to protect you and others. That's with the gun training of course.

And your party claims that there's a war on women by my party. Looks like the war on women comes from the dem party. Seriously, a whistle for every woman to "defend" herself against rape and possible murder?

My party likes to empower women, as we do any good descent human being!
TwistAndShout

Feb 19 @ 7:22PM  
Well, I know of one woman in Newtown CT that bought an arsenal to protect herself. She didn't secure them properly. Result? Her son killed her with one of her guns and then killed 20 little kids in school.

And that's what happens when you encourage EVERYONE to be armed. The world is full of stupid or careless people who can't or won't be responsible with their guns.

I grew up with guns. I hunted beginning at age 12. I'm not afraid of them and I'm not for banning them. But the fact is, too many people buy guns "for protection" and have no idea how to use them or properly secure them.

As a life long gun owner, I am confident in saying the idea that a campus full of 18 to 24 year olds shoult start carrying guns around is a really dumb idea. You'll cause more injury and death than you'll prevent.


StraddleMyNose

Feb 19 @ 9:43PM  
Notice how gunmen seem to only choose places where they know people aren't armed? Just sayin'...
sugarnspice005

Feb 19 @ 10:10PM  
I agree with Rhonda...carrying a gun on a college campus could be a recipe for disaster. And no, I'm not in support of gun control laws..I'm in support of stricter enforcement of the laws we already have.

Personally, I'd be too nervous to be on a campus knowing other students are carrying guns. People show off, goof off, or in some cases, get into arguments. Accidents do happen. And what about the person who is jumpy and likely to shoot at any sound that startles them? There is a lot to consider besides the right to carry, like, what about other students who have a real fear of firearms? No, the only people who should have a gun on any college campus is the campus police. I like Softie's idea of the stun gun or pepper spray.
StraddleMyNose

Feb 19 @ 10:51PM  
Okay, so you guys who oppose students carrying guns on a college campus, how do you feel about people carrying guns in the workplace if they have permits to carry one?
sugarnspice005

Feb 19 @ 11:03PM  
Guns in the workplace? No. And here is why:

Just about a year ago, there was a guy who worked where I work. At first, he seemed like a hard working, ok guy. After a few weeks, we start to see a whole new side to this guy:

He didn't like kids and he lied, a lot.

And, when he would get upset or angry, he would kick things or bang things around. Yet, he wasn't on any meds, and he wasn't under the care of a counselor or psychiatrist. And when he got fired, as he was walking out, he was saying he should come back and shoot the place up. Now, what would have happened if he were allowed to have a gun in the work place? And remember, where I work is a place that is family oriented, and there are little kids all over the place.

How would you want to go about explaining to a parent who's kid just got killed by someone in a "bad mood"? That is a risk I would not want to take.

There is a time and a place for guns..and school, college campus, and work are not those places. What? Should we be able to carry guns into a bar? Or a sporting event? Here in Michigan, if one has a CCW permit, they can have their gun on them in a restaurant, as long as that restaurant does not serve alcoholic beverages.

StraddleMyNose

Feb 19 @ 11:27PM  
as he was walking out, he was saying he should come back and shoot the place up. Now, what would have happened if he were allowed to have a gun in the work place?

I don't know, and I'll tell you why. If you guys were allowed to have guns in the workplace, I doubt very seriously him or anyone else would have a notion to even try to shoot up the place and kill people.

Most always, gunmen usually choose places where guns are not allowed or found so that they don't feel threatend.

Most of your gun carrying people are good law abiding citizens, ones that will stop a killer dead in their tracks, and cold blooded killers know that.

I know there are a lot of people that feel uncomfortable around law abiding citizens that have permits to carry a gun. But I'll bet you or anyone else that if some scum bag found his way into somebody's workplace, school, or campus with intent to kill innocent people, I bet you wish that there was someone there that did have a gun to take that loser out.
TwistAndShout

Feb 20 @ 5:14AM  
Most always, gunmen usually choose places where guns are not allowed or found so that they don't feel threatend.

The Navy Seal who was shot in Texas a couple weeks ago was murdered at a shooting range.


Most of your gun carrying people are good law abiding citizens, ones that will stop a killer dead in their tracks, and cold blooded killers know that.

The problem is that we have too many people now who buy guns out of fear or out of some stupid sense of macho. They may be law-abiding, but they often don't have a clue how to safely own and use a gun.

Anyone who believes that arming students at school or employees at work is a good idea needs to think a little harder. They also need to learn a little more about guns and the respect they deserve.
StraddleMyNose

Feb 20 @ 7:03AM  
The Navy Seal who was shot in Texas a couple weeks ago was murdered at a shooting range.
Isolated incident. Once every blue moon does stuff like this happen to where someone will turn a gun on someone else where other guns are present. To bring someone to a range that had some mental problems such as his "friend" did was a disaster waiting to happen.

Most shootings occur when a gunman brings a gun to a gun free zone. To announce a place of being a gun free zone such as that movie theater in Colorado did was just asking for problems. Look what happened, a lot of people were sitting ducks in that movie theater. I'm pretty sure if others that had a gun permit were allowed to have carried their guns with them, that incident probably wouldn't have happened, and if it still would have, deaths would have dramatically dropped while the police were on the way.

Do you see very many attacks on people at a police station, or a gun range as you do anywhere else?

As I stated in one of my earlier comments, a stun gun, some form of mace, and self defense fighting would be a little more appropriate at a college campus, but I still wouldn't rule out students being allowed to carry a gun on campus with strict training with the firearm. I especially feel this way for professors and teachers who would want to take a course in training with a firearm to be allowed to carry one with them in a classroom for protection and a deterrent to public shootings.

To allow any of this would be more of a deterrent to a gunman than not.

The problem is that we have too many people now who buy guns out of fear or out of some stupid sense of macho
And you know this how? I don't agree with you. I believe there are more people buying guns anymore out of fear of the federal and state levels of government trying to pass all kinds of crazy gun control laws on people. While criminals care nothing about gun laws or any other law for that matter, and will continue getting their hands on guns by way of the black market, or by committing other crimes in the process, while law abiding citizens are shit out of luck in arming themselves for protection, the problem will continue getting worse and not better.
TwistAndShout

Feb 20 @ 8:01AM  
I believe there are more people buying guns anymore out of fear of the federal and state levels of government trying to pass all kinds of crazy gun control laws on people.

I agree with you on that one. The NRA, aka the marketing arm of the gun industry, stokes that fear on a regular basis.

The proposal most likely to pass is universal background checks, and harsh penalties for "straw purchasers," (aka, people who buy guns and sell them to felons who can't buy guns). Do you consider that to be a crazy gun control law?

Meanwhile, there is not a single proposal to ban ownership of all guns. Not one.

While criminals care nothing about gun laws or any other law for that matter, and will continue getting their hands on guns by way of the black market, or by committing other crimes in the process, while law abiding citizens are shit out of luck in arming themselves for protection, the problem will continue getting worse and not better.

Again, will you please show me a single proposal in Congress to ban all guns?

The real issue here has less to do with laws and more to do with common sense. Encouraging a bunch of 18 to 24 year olds, who live packed together in dorms and frequently drink and party, to pack guns around campus is just dumb. Anyone who thinks that's a good idea is either ignorant of guns or ignorant of campus life.

And your party claims that there's a war on women by my party. Looks like the war on women comes from the dem party.

My party likes to empower women, as we do any good descent human being!

Sure would be nice to leave "my team is better than your team" out of the argument and just focus on the issue. This isn't the Super Bowl. It's a serious issue.

StraddleMyNose

Feb 20 @ 8:29AM  
Again, will you please show me a single proposal in Congress to ban all guns?
Not all, just some, which to me is dangerous enough for the federal government to do.


Sure would be nice to leave "my team is better than your team" out of the argument and just focus on the issue. This isn't the Super Bowl. It's a serious issue.
What I stated is true. And yes, this is a serious issue, and to side step my statement the way you did by dismissing it as a juvenile statement without offering up any sort of legitimate response tells me that you can't argue or debate that little fact.

So, please tell me how your party empowers people, I would really love to hear some of them.
StraddleMyNose

Feb 20 @ 10:01AM  
I found one of my old blogs from April 2007 about this issue.

http://www.adultmatchdoctor.com/blog_11282/Utah_only_state_to_allow_guns_on_college_campus.html

After 6 years of seeing how the government loves to ban and resrict people anymore, and seeing more shootings across the U.S., I have apparently warmed up a little more to the idea putting guns in the hands of responsible law abiding college students. People should have a right to defend and protect themsleves from gun violence when they can.

sugarnspice005

Feb 20 @ 10:23AM  
Guns on college campus

There ya go..a little help.

I still think it's not a good idea, and in your own blog, you stated your reservations on it, which are about the same as mine. Not on a college campus, not at any school, and not in the work place. Work place, we're talking in some situations high stress levels here, where a normally good person could snap and go off the deep end.

And no, I don't advocate all these gun control law proposals. I'm for stricter enforcement of the laws we already have.
StraddleMyNose

Feb 20 @ 12:07PM  
Thanks, Dawn!

and in your own blog, you stated your reservations on it
Yes, but I also stated ...

After 6 years of seeing how the government loves to ban and resrict people anymore, and seeing more shootings across the U.S., I have apparently warmed up a little more to the idea putting guns in the hands of responsible law abiding college students. People should have a right to defend and protect themsleves from gun violence when they can.

Perceptions and viewpoints, along with experience and information change sometimes as we grow and mature. Sure, I still have somewhat mixed feelings about it as stated from my blog back in Feb. 2007, but seeing what has happened with society during those 6 years, and an upward turn with shootings in gun free zones, I think allowing more people in all states the choice to carry a gun by means of protection and a deterrent can be a good thing.
sugarnspice005

Feb 20 @ 12:20PM  
I think allowing more people in all states the choice to carry a gun by means of protection and a deterrent can be a good thing.

Something like a stun gun, pepper spray, even a tazer, yes, I would agree. But not an actual firearm. There is a time and a place for them, but a college campus or work place isn't one of them.

For example, bank robberies are on the rise. What if a teller is allowed to have a gun and when a robber comes in, that teller pulls out the gun, but hesitates? My Dad always told my sisters and I if we ever had to pull a gun on another person, be ready to fire because any hesitation gives that attacker the opening they need. And then what happens to the innocent people there who could get caught in the crossfire?

I totally agree that we need to protect our selves, I have no problem with that. But we need to weigh out the risk factors before going ahead and saying "yes" to something that could cause more harm than good. I know I wouldn't want to be caught in the middle of a shoot out at work. What I'm saying is that people are unpredictable especially when emotions and tempers are involved. "Heat of the moment"..and I'm not talking about the song by Asia either. Sometimes when we get pissed off, we don't think rationally, and if you combine that with a firearm, that could have disastrous results.

Like I said, stun gun, tazer, even pepper spray...yes. A gun......I would go with....depends on some factors...crime rate being one.
TwistAndShout

Feb 20 @ 7:03PM  
And yes, this is a serious issue, and to side step my statement the way you did by dismissing it as a juvenile statement without offering up any sort of legitimate response tells me that you can't argue or debate that little fact.

Well, going back and reading what I wrote about the issue you raised in your blog, I thought my responses were legitimate and serious. I just don't like injecting partisan trash talk into the discussion. As soon as you start saying "my party is better than your party" nobody's talking about the real issue anymore.

Do I think opposing gun control is more empowering to women than, say, pronoting equal pay for equal work? I have an opinion, but it would be more valid to ask someone with a vagina what she thinks.

So, please tell me how your party empowers people, I would really love to hear some of them.

Nope. While it makes sense to discuss issues, bickering about which party is better strikes me as a pointless exercise. We have elections to decide which party will be put into power. We just had one, in fact. Now it's time to make decisions in issues, not argue about who's better.

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