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The 2012 Gallup annual State of the States poll asked respondents nationwide if they viewed themselves as conservative, moderate or liberal. The link above to the Gallup site goes into much greater detail.

According to Time Magazine:

Alabama has taken the crown previously held by Mississippi as the most conservative state in the union, according to a new Gallup poll. Last year the top four were Mississippi, Utah, and Wyoming, with Alabama coming in fourth. Overall, Americans in 2012 remained more likely to identify as conservative (38%) than as moderate (36%) or as liberal (23%), although liberals have gained 2 percentage points compared to 2011.

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RJ53

Feb 1 @ 7:16PM  
As the old guard dies out the country will become more liberal, The younger generation for the most part have wider access to the world thanks to the internet. They are exposed to new ideas and cultures, They are not going to buy into the same ideology of their parents and grandparents no matter how hard the older generation tries to turn back the clock, It is not surprising the states that rank as the most conservative also rank first at the worst education systems and the highest poverty rates in the nation,
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 1 @ 8:23PM  
Why not post the most liberal state as you did most conservative state?

liberals have gained 2 percentage points compared to 2011.

More less dumbing down America has been taking place in recent years. Also, too many lazy slacker ass people wanting free stuff given to them by Obama. Entitlement society thinking people have ruined this country.

It is not surprising the states that rank as the most conservative also rank first at the worst education systems and the highest poverty rates in the nation
I beg to differ on this that conservatism has anything to do with those peoplems.

Have you seen states that are heavily liberal about to go bankrupt? Liberals also love to try to control people, while yet trying to scrap our constitution.
sugarnspice005

Feb 1 @ 10:48PM  
Michigan ain't liberal or conservative..it's moderate.
RJ53

Feb 2 @ 4:43AM  
Actually I do have the figures to back up the fact that some of the most conservative states who vote republican are the worst educated and by Fox business no less. These states tend to spend less on education and rank high on the poverty chart as well.




http://www.foxbusiness.com/personal-finance/2012/10/15/americas-best-and-worst-educated-states/
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 2 @ 5:25AM  
Oh, here's a little something from NBC (one of the most liberal media outlets) from 2012 with categories such as education, cost of business, workforce, quality of life, economy, infrastructure and transportation, technology and innovation, business friendliness, access to capital, and cost of living.

It takes all of those and gives an overall rating. From what I see, there are 13 red states in the top 20, and 13 blue states in the bottom 20.

http://www.cnbc.com/id/100016697/Top_States_2012_Overall_Ranking
TwistAndShout

Feb 2 @ 9:33AM  
I think RJ wins this one, at least as far as evidence submitted goes. Her contention is that red states are the least educated. She provided a Fox listing that cites best educated and worst educated states to support her argument.

The CNBC listing that Straddle provided measures business climate, not education levels. Education was one factor measured, but only one of many other factors that have nothing to do with education. It really doesn't rebut RJ's contention at all.

There is one simple reason for blue states having better education statistics. You get what you pay for. If you want a quality education system, it costs money.

Years ago, conservatives began to point out, correctly, that simply throwing money at a problem doesn't solve it. However, many took that truism and turned it into "you don't need money to solve problems." That is usually incorrect.

In neighborhoods where kids are living in poorly functioning families, spending more and more money in the schools won't solve the problem of poorly educated children. Stable families with stable jobs will solve that problem, as long as there are decent schoos as well.

However, even where families are intact, if you continually allow primary and secondary class sizes to grow and schools to deteriorate, and continue to cut back on support of post-secondary education, you'll see across-the-board deterioration in education levels. That's what's happening in places like Alabama, Arkansas, Tennessee, etc. Conservatives refuse to recognize that there is a threshold level of education funding you have to be willing to provide. If you don't, you'll pay a price in the results you get.
Wordsofwit

Feb 2 @ 10:34AM  
Why not post the most liberal state as you did most conservative state?

I just took the quote from the opening segment of the Time Magazine coverage and copy/pasted it in. The link I submitted will take anybody to those details you ask about.

I am pretty ergonomic in my posts on here. They are copy/paste diddies from MD. AMD is a ghost town except for a few pals like you. To do much more would be like watering a dead plant
Wordsofwit

Feb 2 @ 11:03AM  
Thanks, Straddle Here is a hot link to your URL I'll check out

I want to applaud you for checking things out, outside of the political box to substantiate your POV There can be valuable nuggets of info on a given subject on all sides of the political spectrum for those who wish to gain knowledge and be informed
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 2 @ 11:07AM  
No, Twisty, I'm looking at the big picture where it measures not only education, but other components as well. Education may be an important component, but then so are the other stuff that I have listed that makes each state a success or failure.

You, Bruce, and Rhonda are being very short sided when you try to just pick out only one of these categories to try to make your case for your party's success, while leaving out other important statistics as well.

The overall statistics speaks for itself.
TwistAndShout

Feb 2 @ 11:38AM  
No, Twisty, I'm looking at the big picture where it measures not only education, but other components as well. Education may be an important component, but then so are the other stuff that I have listed that makes each state a success or failure.

You, Bruce, and Rhonda are being very short sided when you try to just pick out only one of these categories to try to make your case for your party's success, while leaving out other important statistics as well.

The overall statistics speaks for itself.

Lists of "favorable business climate" often don't paint the big picture and they definitely don't speak for themselves. Any list is the result of the criteria it uses, and you have to look at that criteria.

For example we see "cost of doing business" and must recognize that the single biggest component is usually labor cost. For businesses, a low wage environment is great. For families, not so much. Low tax environments might on the surface be good for buinsesses, but it can also mean a poor infrastructure.

If a state attracts business by promoting low cost labor and tax incentives, they'll succeed in attracting a lot of telephone call centers and similar jobs to their state. And they'll also see them pack up and leave as soon as they figure out how to send it to some country where people will work for $10 a day.

On the other hand, if a state pursues the more expensive and more long term strategy of educating its work force, improving its infrastructure and establishing excellent universities with high quality research facilities, they attract much higher paying jobs that cannot be moved to other locations quite so easily.

You'd think "favorable business climate" would translate into a higher per capita income. Not so much. While Texas may rank number one in the CNBC listing, it ranks 26th in per capita income according to census figures.

http://www.census.gov/compendia/statab/2012/ranks/rank29.html

StraddleMyNose

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Feb 2 @ 11:44AM  
What you're doing is like saying "hey, we won the 5th inning", when in fact you lost the baseball game 9-4 (I'm being generous).

You'd think "favorable business climate" would translate into a higher per capita income. Not so much. While Texas may rank number one in the CNBC listing, it ranks 26th in per capita income according to census figures.
Again, it looks at the overall picture with it's ranking.
Wordsofwit

Feb 2 @ 12:00PM  
The overall statistics speaks for itself.

Yes they do, my friend. And, I commended you on it.

You, Bruce, and Rhonda are being very short sided when you try to just pick out only one of these categories to try to make your case for your party's success,

Oh really I was just putting out some poll results from a respected poling organization for you to banter about Don't see much in my blog where I try
to make your case for your party's success


I am recalling a refrain from a Talking Heads hit that you may recall... "Same as it ever was, same as it ever was"


StraddleMyNose

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Feb 2 @ 12:06PM  
You squeezed your comment in commending me just right before I posted about you with the other two about being short sided, Bruce.

I appreciate you looking at the overall picture.
TwistAndShout

Feb 2 @ 12:45PM  
Again, it looks at the overall picture with it's ranking.

I understand what you're saying. I simply don't agree that the CNBC list represents the overall picture or that it's anything more than one opinion.

The list is highly subjective. Another person creating a list of "best places to do business" will come up with a different list because they'll choose different critera or judge the criteria differently.

But beyond that, for most of us, a good business climate is not what is ultimately important. I want a GOOD job, not merely a job, and I want a good community to live in with good schools and services.

If a state is a good place to locate businesses because the business can pay very low wages and low business taxes, that doesn't necessarily produce a better quality of life.

For me, THAT'S the ball game, and not merely the 5th inning. But that's just me.

RJ53

Feb 3 @ 1:45AM  
poverty rates in the USA



Here is a chart of national poverty rates, If you notice if you look at the education syetems and the poverty rates state by state it pretty much tells the story,

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