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  sugarnspice005

If you heard the city you lived in was "broke"? It was story I kind of caught listening to local news here.

First thought that came to mind....Fire the dummies who mismanaged it so terribly that the city is broke. They obviously didn't know how to budget. And be more careful on who you elect to replace them so it doesn't happen again. I know, "easier said than done".

I always hear people saying they don't have the time to really know a candidate because with local elections like city council, there isn't "tv time" like in federal elections. WTF kind of excuse is that? Duh! Majority of folks today have access of some sort to the internet...use it to read up on who is running and whether you like/agree with their ideas. Yes, that can be time consuming, but, when looking at the condition of local cities all the way up to the federal level....isn't it time to actually LEARN about the candidate rather than the "blind vote" as I call it? Let's clarify what I mean by "blind vote"..that is voting for a candidate "just because" they are from the political party one supports.

Another argument some raise is: Look what we have to work with. Well, we still have the means to "change" that too...we elect who we hope/feel will do what is in the best interest of our community, and if they fail to deliver...DON'T VOTE FOR THEM AGAIN. Even if they run for re election...look, research, see who offers better hope, even if that person is not from the party one normally affiliates them self with. The idea here is to not reward for failure to do their job by re electing them.

Damn...I just did a blog about politics...what am I thinking?! Keep it civil....I have no problems with differing opinions...I feel that is how we can learn..but any bashing...and comments will be deleted.

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RJ53

May 16 @ 1:49PM  
People generally get the government they deserve. They keep on electing people to office just because they are not the other guy without really looking into who and what the person is they are voting for. Uninformed voters + reactionary voting + those who vote for someone because someone on the radio or tv that they follow told them they were the ones to vote for = 1 very fucked up government and that goes for local, state and federal.
RevDocLove

May 16 @ 3:52PM  
We have city government ???
flavorbuster

May 16 @ 4:27PM  
If you heard the city you lived in was "broke"?
My city isn't broke & they never thought about giving me one red cent not that they have to but if they were I'd say piss on them & move to one that isn't. After all a broke city would be slim on job offers. Yes I could have simplified it & just said relocate but I didn't. Basically relocating to a better environment would be about the best you could do.
Wordsofwit

May 16 @ 4:51PM  
First thought that came to mind....Fire the dummies who mismanaged it so terribly that the city is broke.

Being devils advocate here with much more than a grain of truth. Many municipalities are facing this adversity due to loss of revenue compared to previous years. Their revenue streams come from property taxes, sales taxes, state/federal grants/revenue sharing, and bonds.

Those first three got hammered in the great recession and they still linger. Especially in the property taxes. My city gets much less from me as my property is worth about half of what it was four years ago on the market today. However, we are cool as the corporate/commercial property taxes offset residential property values. But my city is very much the exception.

Another argument some raise is: Look what we have to work with. Well, we still have the means to "change" that too...we elect who we hope/feel will do what is in the best interest of our community, and if they fail to deliver...DON'T VOTE FOR THEM AGAIN.

They have to play the cards that they are dealt and sometimes they aren't dealing them. In good times, I can see your point, but these days... well your logic is just too simplistic without an understanding of the dynamics of the situation, sorry
somnium

May 16 @ 5:16PM  
Well... probably most here know what mu y thoughts are regarding politicians and politics! If you don't, then just know that I damn the air politicians breath and the ground they walk on!

But politics by itself isn't bad- nor are contracts, political offices, the UN, the unions, the casinos, the markets etc., etc.! All of what I just mentioned and 1000s more every day activities going on around the planet, have one thing in common... humans are involved from start to finish! THAT is where the problems start from! In other words, everything that humans do, is controlled in one form or another, by humans!

What the HELL is he talking about??? Well... it's this, changing the guard periodically through these stupid, annoying election campaigns- obviously isn't cutting it! Not only are they worthless in finding the so called 'best candidates' to vote for, for whatever office they're running for (up to and including our highest office in the land), the campaigns are bought and paid for- with whomever is elected, being preordained from the get go- in other words, IMO, they're manipulated... big time! Whomever has the most money and owes the most favors, wins... not every time (I'm still trying to figure out how Jimmy Carter got elected ) but far more often than not!!!

So... since electing different people to hold our highest office, with their chosen personnel for their administration cabinets hasn't made much difference for decades, eventually getting us into the mess we're in- what other reason could there be for the mess we're in??? IMO, the answer is: it's the WAY that the politicians have our government structured! It's really structured for THEIR benefit- certainly not for the citizen's benefit!! I think that's finally become very apparent, in the way things have been done in a 'business as usual' way, for the previous 4 or 5 administrations, from the economy to getting into wars (at least the way we were tricked into them anyway).

So changing the WAY things are done in our government, has to happen first, before our country can get back to where it was which was, being respected by other countries if for no other reason than the fact that, we would kick their freak'n asses if they tried anything stupid with us! But also, everyone held the dollar as the de facto currency in which to gauge their economy by. That's externally!

Internally, we're so screwed up, it's pathetic and yet politicians can't see it or refuse to see it... my guess is the latter and I think it's purely for their self-gratification and/or greed and power! IMO, to them... an informed, economically strong citizen base, scares them- so, they're trying to legislate as much of our freedoms away as they can get away with- which just might backfire on them one day, hopefully!

What changes would I make? I've mentioned them before! There are only two changes that need to be made:

1- For the politicians to be legally responsible for their actions- they fuck up... they suffer the consequences by whatever is written into law, just as it is for the citizens! The politicians got us into this economic mess we're in, not just the citizens! Yes, the citizens made huge mistakes refinancing their homes for extra money and bought homes priced well beyond their means- which created the real estate mess, which caused the economic mess we're in- but who encouraged it and looked the other way, not doing their job as regulators???

2- The election process as it is now?? Scrapped!!! In it's place, is the same merit system adopted by just about every business in our country! All candidates lay their resumes on the table (what they've done for the few years prior to applying for an official position- other than sitting on their ass doing nothing) and what their intentions are as president, VP etc.- all in black and white, all for the public to view by whatever media means they can- then make their choice from that... period! No influence from unions, lobbyists- no electoral systems, non of that crap! Let the people decide for themselves!

Simple? Yup... but simple makes it much more honest and truer to what the CITIZENS want, not what the politicians want- YOU remember the citizens, don't you Unky Sam???

I'm done!



sugarnspice005

May 16 @ 5:36PM  
well your logic is just too simplistic without an understanding of the dynamics of the situation, sorry

I kept the blog "simple" because of the amount of space. As for me not "understanding the dynamics"...I'd say getting an A in Political Science gives me a little understanding here. True, I got that A roughly 10 years ago..but, from what I've seen with the election years....not a whole hell of a lot has changed. There are still lobbyists, action committees, and business people who "buy" politicians. I also know of a few people who have worked in our state capital here for internships who have told a few things. So please...do not come off condescending to me. I do have a grasp of what I'm talking about.

2- The election process as it is now?? Scrapped!!! In it's place, is the same merit system adopted by just about every business in our country! All candidates lay their resumes on the table (what they've done for the few years prior to applying for an official position- other than sitting on their ass doing nothing) and what their intentions are as president, VP etc.- all in black and white, all for the public to view by whatever media means they can- then make their choice from that... period! No influence from unions, lobbyists- no electoral systems, non of that crap! Let the people decide for themselves!

Simple? Yup... but simple makes it much more honest and truer to what the CITIZENS want, not what the politicians want- YOU remember the citizens, don't you Unky Sam???

He got it.

Uninformed voters + reactionary voting + those who vote for someone because someone on the radio or tv that they follow told them they were the ones to vote for = 1 very fucked up government and that goes for local, state and federal.

She got it.

flavorbuster

May 16 @ 6:18PM  
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TwistAndShout

May 16 @ 7:35PM  
2- The election process as it is now?? Scrapped!!! In it's place, is the same merit system adopted by just about every business in our country! All candidates lay their resumes on the table (what they've done for the few years prior to applying for an official position- other than sitting on their ass doing nothing) and what their intentions are as president, VP etc.- all in black and white, all for the public to view by whatever media means they can- then make their choice from that... period!

In my perfect world, it would work that way. But unless you suspend the right of free speech, it's not possible.

Even if the candidates weren't permitted to campaign, the right of free speech means special interests with sufficient money will always be free to purchase advertising time, or organizations with the wherewithal to knock on doors, can and will try to influence the election.
Wordsofwit

May 16 @ 8:51PM  
Let me put it this way on social services, the bottom line is the bottom line... money. You can go ahead and do the math on your municipality We are cool in Irving, sorry for the rest of you It is what is is and is what it ain't
somnium

May 16 @ 9:33PM  
In my perfect world, it would work that way. But unless you suspend the right of free speech, it's not possible.

Even if the candidates weren't permitted to campaign, the right of free speech means special interests with sufficient money will always be free to purchase advertising time, or organizations with the wherewithal to knock on doors, can and will try to influence the election.

Some thoughts on your comment:

No need to suspend our right of free speech to elect people running for the offices of their choosing, as everyone (as apposed to groups- i.e. unions etc.) is in fact allowed to voice their opinion through casting their singular vote based on the credentials of the candidates for each office!

You could say, Ironically, that the general citizen's right of freedom of speech, are kind of "suspended" to a degree during election campaigns anyway, because of the 'special interests groups, trying to sway an election towards their interests, because they have the money to run nasty, dumbass ad campaigns and whatnot, to get what they want! The average citizen can't afford to do that, even in groups competing against special interest group's influence, money and power- (it's also who you know, favors offered etc.). The idea, is to level the playing field, trying to make it fair for everyone! As it is right now, our election process, is anything BUT fair!

Rules are changed every day in our country, whether it's union rules, corporate rules, bank rules, wall street rules etc., and of course, the biggest rule changers of all, our politicians! If anyone is skirting our country's freedom of speech rights... it's our government!

And just in case... if computers can handle billions of complicated transactions around the world daily, they certainly can handle a few hundred million people voting process! But that's another story!


TwistAndShout

May 17 @ 5:24AM  
You could say, Ironically, that the general citizen's right of freedom of speech, are kind of "suspended" to a degree during election campaigns anyway, because of the 'special interests groups, trying to sway an election towards their interests, because they have the money to run nasty, dumbass ad campaigns and whatnot, to get what they want! The average citizen can't afford to do that, even in groups competing against special interest group's influence, money and power- (it's also who you know, favors offered etc.).

I don't disagree at all. But in a free society, how do you say that certain groups, (whether it be Wall Street, Unions, Associations of Concerned Citizens, etc, the Sierra Club, Tea Party organizations, etc..) can't legally run advertising on issues?

I don't think you can pass a law that passes constitutional muster that completely takes the money out of political campaigns.

RevDocLove

May 17 @ 8:33AM  
A kudo to Flavorbuster
somnium

May 17 @ 9:20AM  
I don't disagree at all. But in a free society, how do you say that certain groups, (whether it be Wall Street, Unions, Associations of Concerned Citizens, etc, the Sierra Club, Tea Party organizations, etc..) can't legally run advertising on issues?

I don't think you can pass a law that passes constitutional muster that completely takes the money out of political campaigns.

Well then... maybe major election changes should be offered to our citizens to vote on by itself and let the citizens decide whether or not we keep what we have and never solve anything or make it an election that all have an equal say (vote) in who is best qualified for what office, rather than what special interest group(s) has the most to gain, by paying for the candidate's election!


StraddleMyNose

May 17 @ 3:32PM  
I always hear people saying they don't have the time to really know a candidate because with local elections like city council, there isn't "tv time" like in federal elections. WTF kind of excuse is that?
You're right, there are others ways to find the info....
Thenewguy2957

May 17 @ 3:47PM  
A lot of the people responsible have been out of office and even dead for decades. It was shirtsightedness, making contracts, agreements and obligations for decades in the future and just assuming the money would still be there and coming in when it was time to pay for it all.

"Nothing will change, we will always....blah blah"

But things have changed. While many of us have had to contend with 75% or more reductions in income, gov't at any level can't handle a drop of only 3 or 4% of its revenue, they self-insured, didn't set aside retirement or infrastructure costs or even have a rainy day fund or if they had one they raided it.

Now they are unable to stop spending and don't have enough coming in to make up the shortfall.

Its pitiful, a little common sense could have prevented it all.
Thenewguy2957

May 17 @ 3:53PM  
To answer your original question.

Cut back spending.
Increase taxes SLIGHTLY and temporarily for upper income brackets.
Require a "pay as you go" policy at all levels of gov't and a set aside of 1/2 or 1% a year of the annual operating budget in a rainy day fund that could only be spent under very specific circumstances.

What also needs to be done ( but won't be) is to investigate why these problems happened, what offices failed to plan properly and what will be required in the future to prevent a recurrence.

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