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Florida jogger won't be charged for shooting teen

posted 1/12/2011 3:10:42 PM |
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With Florida's "stand-your-ground" law, you would think that the teenager wouldn't have been so stupid to do what he did to the jogger! This jogger has a concealed weapons permit.

Personally, I think it's a good law! I would think that if you're aware of Florida's law, you might think twice before attacking someone- how would you know if a person has a gun to protect him or herself or not, if someone has a concealed weapons permit??

Having protection on yourself, doesn't make it the 'Wild, Wild, West' as some would have you believe- it just means Florida's citizens have a legal means to protect themselves! I see nothing wrong with that, as long as it's done in a responsible manner- if it isn't, than it will cost you- (case by case investigation).

What do you think?

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Jan 12 @ 3:25PM  
I have no problem with it.

Jan 12 @ 3:45PM  
He was in the right, but from the article.

The teen was hit four times in the chest, back and buttocks. He died at the scene.

Nothing against someone defending themselves, but two in the kneecaps would've been enough. The rest is excessive.

Jan 12 @ 3:57PM  
The rest is excessive.

I would imagine that most people in a situation like that, wouldn't stop to think through a strategy of how best to stop an attacker- they just act on impulse to stop someone from possibly causing even more harm!


Jan 12 @ 7:10PM  
actually one between the eyes would have been plenty. but, i agree, the cops can't be everywhere, so when someone tries to do you harm, if you can stop them, and save the taxpayers a bundle in the process, then do it.

as we have lost the right to defend out selves and our property from those that have no respect for laws anyway, it makes sense to me to do what ever it takes to rid ourselves of the vermin. so, one more off the streets, one less endless trial and the bleeding hearts telling us what a good kid he really was, ad nausium.

Jan 12 @ 7:12PM  
"An armed society, is a polite society."

Would it be any different if the article said, "Fla. jogger won't be charged for shooting thug"??

I wonder it that was the first time Carlos wanted a paycheck from a stranger??

Jan 12 @ 8:44PM  
I agree with you som.100%

Jan 12 @ 10:41PM  
I have two problems with this circumstance. The first is legal.

Florida's "stand-your-ground" law is another in a long line of unnecessary laws. Federal law allows for any citizen to use "reasonable force" to defend themselves. Now I am not debating here as to whether or not the force used was "reasonable", all I am stating is that a locality that deems a redundant law necessary has either a different problem that needs to be addressed, or lawyers with too much time on their hands.

The second problem I have is logistical.

If you note, the article says that eight shots were fired and Mustelier "was hit four times in the chest, back and buttocks." The article does not specify which shot hit where, but I do know you can't shoot someone in the "back and buttocks" if they are facing you. What this means is that Mustellier had already turned away from Baker when he was shot at least twice more. Furthermore, if four shots hit Mustelier, then only 50% of the shots fired at point blank range hit the intended target. Now this is unanswered by the article, but what happened to the other four shots?

Now, opinion time; First, what the teen did was illegal, not "stupid". You can't know someone has a weapons permit before you punch them. Next I think it's fairly dirty to shoot someone in the back, even someone who just punched you. Third, I'm not sure I'd be comfortable with someone in my presence carrying a gun who only hits targets five feet from him half of the time. And finally if I'm enjoying a day in the park I don't want to have to worry about stray bullets.

Jan 12 @ 10:55PM  
"An armed society, is a polite society."

I think it's hysterical when people take quotes out of context.

The full Heinlein quote is:

An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life.

The book illustrated a dystopic future and the element of guns was a tongue-in-cheek commentary on the idiocy of dueling, and had nothing to do with self-defense whatsoever, but the quote was adopted by a right-to-bear arms group called The Polite Society based out of Tennessee and Kentucky.

Incidentally, for those that still believe that this is good advice, the book also advocates social nudism, free love, eugenics, and wasteful government spending.

Jan 13 @ 3:37AM  
I see nothing wrong with this law

Jan 13 @ 3:52AM  
I have no problem with people carrying guns to defend themselves providing they do the following

1. A very tough and extensive gun safety course that you have to pass to get a license to have a gun in the first place.
2. A thorough criminal background check
3. A mental fitness test. The last thing you need in some mentally unstable person who thinks they are John Wayne out there with a gun
4. Every two years they have to take and pass a refresher course in gun safety.
5. Any DWI or violations of any law the guns go bye bye. You think person drunk behind the wheel is dangerous? Try one who can shoot you.
6. All guns not in use at that moment stays locked up in a safe. You would be surprised how many people get shot with their own guns or some kid decides to show them off to their friends and gets hurt or killed ot accidently kills someone.

Jan 13 @ 8:11AM  
All guns not in use at that moment stays locked up in a safe.

That really cuts down the response time to an armed intruder breaking into your home, doesn't it?

Jan 13 @ 9:03AM  
When seconds count, the Police are only minutes away. It's not unusual,
hours away.

Criminals don't care about laws. Those 6 points to a safe society,
only hurt those that obey the laws. A cell phone for 911 and a firearm
for anyone that can afford/wants them, IMHO.

I wonder why these regulatory types, want to have a breathalizer in EVERY vehicle, a Government Censor assigned to everyone with a keyboard,
an attorney handcuffed to each Concealed Carry holder, a dietician watch
and weigh your every bite, and a DEA agent for every hippie??


Jan 13 @ 12:42PM  
I think its a good story maybe a few criminals will think twice. They need to learn ya never know what the other guy is packing. I carry when I feel the need to. Selling real estate I had a 380 in my purple italian leather brief case. Something most people wouldnt think about when they first meet me.

Jan 13 @ 12:44PM  
Yanno...if I had a concealed weapons permit, carried a gun and went jogging at midnight and someone came up to me and punched me in the jaw, I don't think I'd be asking that person to accompany me to a streelight so I could see to shoot him just it in the chest or knee cap. I'd be firing my ass off to save my life!

Now if it was daylight, I probably wouldn't have gotten punched and if I did then I could see to shoot them without firing numerous rounds.

But bet me there's people saying, "Well he shouldn't have been out there jogging at midnight." Funny how just a few years makes a difference. In '04-'06 I use to walk at midnight but then by '09 or so, instinct told me I wasn't safe and probably wasn't safe after dark at all...even in small town America.

That is fuckin' sad...and infuriating! We have millions of good kids out there that don't get the attention they deserve but on the other without parenting roam the streets to bully and hurt people. Kids who feel entitled to do whatever they want without penalty or repercussions and are protected by the law of age...and those adults that want to molly-coddle them.

It's a world of legal babble and hallowed halls of blind justice for no one but those who line their pockets and/or cover their tracks of laziness and skullduggery. And then John Q. Public is shocked when private citizens are armed to the teeth in order to simply have the right to jog at midnight?

I say...good for what little common sense that prevails.

Jan 13 @ 12:59PM  
That really cuts down the response time to an armed intruder breaking into your home, doesn't it?

It also cuts down on walking in on someone who broke into your house while you were out and being shot with your own gun.

I have locks on my door and windows. I can take a crossbow out of a locked cabinet and have it ready to shoot their ass in less than 2 minutes. The odds are not in their favor. If your house is properly secured then you have time to get that gun. If not go out and buy some better locks.

Jan 13 @ 1:01PM  
I'm with Softie, if it's night time, and I'm out alone and some thug attacks me, I'm going to defend myself and fire in the direction of my attacker.

I'm all for allowing law abiding citizens carrying a weapon.

Jan 13 @ 3:05PM  
most people in a situation like that, wouldn't stop to think through a strategy
And that, folks, is precisely why licenses to carry and concealed permits
should be better scrutinized
Too many stupid people who tend to over react

Jan 13 @ 7:14PM  
Too many stupid people who tend to over react

Well... ...I guess if I'm DEAD then I can't over-react??? Just a thought....

Jan 13 @ 10:06PM  
Personally, I think it's a good law!
I completely agree Som!

I will even go out on a limb and add that if I was with a loved one or even by myself...if you attack don't get to say I'm being excessive later on down the road when the dust has settled. If I'm minding my own beeswax and you attack me...I'm not going to sit there and try to decide if 1 bullet or 4 bullets will do the trick. I mean really...are you kidding me?!?!

I'm sorry a human life was lost...but they acted first...and the jogger reacted. End of story.

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Florida jogger won't be charged for shooting teen