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So "if" the US government determines that it is against the law for the words "under God" to be on our money, then, so be it.

And "if" that same government decides that the
"Ten Commandments" are not to be used in or on a government installation, then, so be it.

I say, "so be it," because I would like to be a
law abiding US citizen.

I say, "so be it," because I would like to think that smarter people than I are in positions to make good decisions.

I would like to think that those people have the
American public's best interests at heart.


Since we can't pray to God, can't trust in God and cannot post His Commandments in Government buildings,

I don't believe the Government (Federal, State and Local) and its employees should participate in the Easter and Christmas celebrations which honor the God that our government is eliminating from many facets of American life.

I'd like my mail delivered on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving and Easter. After all, it's just another day.

I'd like the "US Supreme Court to be in session on Christmas, Good Friday, Thanksgiving and Easter as well as Sundays." After all, it's just another day.

I'd like the Senate and the House of Representatives not to have to worry about getting home for the "Christmas Break." After all it's just another day.

I'm thinking that a lot of my taxpayer dollars could be saved, if all government offices and services would work on Christmas, Good Friday and Easter. It shouldn't cost any overtime since those would be just like any other day of the week to a government that is trying to be "politically correct." ....

I think that our government should work on Sundays (initially set aside for worshipping God) because, after all, our government says that it should be just another day.

What do you all think????

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Aug 27 @ 8:52AM  
I think you have a good point but one that is easily solved. Keep the holidays (everyone needs one :-) but dedicate them to something else. Something founded on proven scientific fact would be a suitably progressive 21st century gesture.

'God' has nothing to do with the US constitution. Though they kept the religious fanatics at bay by expressing ambivalent 'deism', the founding fathers were almost certainly atheist. However, whether they were or not is inconsequential in comparison to the fact that the word 'god' did not appear anywhere in the document.

'In God We Trust' didn't? appear on coins until 1863 and not on paper money until 1957. 'Under God' wasn't in the pledge of? allegiance until 1954, a time when its appearance is inarguably linked to one of the most shameful periods in US history - the neo-fascist McCarthy era communist witch-hunts.

Also, check the Treaty of Tripoli, article 11 signed in 1797 by then president John Adams:
"...the Government of the United States is not, in any sense,? founded on the Christian religion..."
The US constitution only mentioned 'religion' in? the first amendment for 2 reasons.
1) To specifically prohibit the congress from establishing a religion.
2) To grant the freedom to practice any faith or to refrain from practicing at all.

I think the 'new' holidays might celebrate humanity's rejection of subservience to the ravings of 7th century desert dwellers. How about that? :-)

I'll let Thomas Jefferson close with this quote from 1816
"There would never have been an infidel, if there had never been a priest. The artificial structures they have built on the purest of all moral systems, for the purpose of deriving from it pence and power, revolts those who think for themselves, and who read in that system only what is really there."

Aug 27 @ 9:51AM  
Don't get me started! I have seen this one before tho....I'm with you! Thats all I'm going to say....

Aug 27 @ 10:01AM  
The phrase ' in god we trust " is a generic term that could be used
to reference any religion and should be left alone.
It dosnt say In the golden calf we trust.
It dosnt say In Jesus Christ we trust,
Or In Buddah we trust,
Or In Mohammad we trust.
But I do think that the government in all fairness should print money
specially for the atheists of this country and it should say
The damn foreigners that come to this country try to change everything
to fit there needs and it dont work that way.
Your lucky to be in this country but dont expect everyone to conform around you.
Enjoy your freedoms and quit whinning..
or Ill be the first to go JIHAD on your ass.....

Aug 27 @ 2:12PM  
That's some food for thought

Aug 27 @ 3:57PM  
You CAN "pray and trust in God" if you so choose, no-one is even thinking about stopping you. It's your personal choice and as long as it doesn't affect anyone else (children in particular) I support your right to it. But the ten commandments have absolutely no place in any government building. As with the word 'god' in the pledge of allegiance and its being printed on money, such a scenario is completely unconstitutional.

Aug 27 @ 8:26PM  
Catintheflat brought up some really good points that I'll add to, and even take a minor issue with one of them (not all atheist's interpret things the same way).

I'll start with the founders likely being atheist: ummm ...probably not true. I suspect most of them were Christian with a few deist's mixed in. As much as our modern evangelicals like to trumpet "how the world needs to find Jesus" ...most of them HAD "found him" in that day and age; nearly all of western Europe was Christian at the time.

They were also all fighting about who had the correct version. The Spanish Inquisition was still in full swing and the English Civil War (fought mostly over religion) was barely a century behind them. Given the state of the Christian religion across Europe at that particular time, I sincerely doubt that they wanted anything but a secular state; as cat pointed out, many of the framer's remarked about it in their writings. The treaty of Tripoli was published in many of the major newspapers of the day, and there was no record of any sort of public backlash over it (as a matter of fact, it passed congress unanimously ...the first bill to do so since our founding).

Last I checked, anyone in our country can pray anywhere they want, at any time they want ...that is unless of course you want to sit up on a stage somewhere in a government funded institution and trumpet it purely for others to hear (didn't Jesus himself have something to say about that in Matthew 6:6?). Hell, the "evil ACLU" even won the right for street preachers to scream their nonsense from any public street corner they wanted! Sorry folks, but you aren't going to get a "pity fuck" from God about being "persecuted in his namesake" when it's only your own pride for not being able to show others how pious you are. Pray where you want, when you want ...nobody's stopping you; just keep it to yourself and nobody will have any problems with it. (honestly ...I'm still trying to figure out your whole "can't trust in God" line; who's stopping you?! ...are you really so insecure in your belief that it has to be printed on your money or recited in a classroom that you "can't" do anything without it present?)

As far as "Under God" and "In God we Trust" ...personally, most of us could care less. Most who are against it would at least like you to acknowledge that the addition of them BY LAW in the 50's was blatantly unconstitutional though ("congress shall make no law..." in that pesky first amendment). The original national motto was "E. Pluribus Unum" (out of many; ironic that the new one serves more to divide, but I guess that if you consider that it was written by people that thought only white men had the right to vote, it DOES sort of follow historical precedent at least. I would think that modern Christian's should be more pissed off that their God was added as a graven image (commandment #2) to our currency as part of a propaganda campaign against the Soviets during the "red scare" than perceiving some slight when a few people started realizing it was against our values as a nation ruled by a CONSTITUTION rather than by the largest group's interpretation of God. As far as the 10 commandments in courthouses, should I point out that only two of the ten are actually against criminal law, and are in nearly every other "civilized" country in the world as well?

Oh, and Saturday was the day set aside for worshiping God, not Sunday (according to those 10 Commandments anyway ...just ask any Jew if you don't believe me. Something about "on the seventh day he rested" or something like that).

I'm no fan of Islam either, but when well over 60% of the country decided that we should block a group of Muslim's from opening a community center on private property that they purchased and got the permits for based PURELY ON THEIR RELIGION, you gave up all rights to any sort of claim as any kind of "persecuted minority." With all the hysteria over the president being a closet Muslim, I'd think if some people TRULY thought they were a "minority," they'd be scared shitless of tossing away the first amendment so casually! Majority's come and go ...but we live in a republic, not a democracy; the courts decide how lawful something is, not popular opinion.

Feel free to keep taking up the "persecution" card and playing it for all it's sarcastic worth; it's a free country and you certainly have the right to your opinion. I would suggest taking a look at whether it's truly being treated unfairly, or just treated like everyone else though. A pipe bomb was detonated in a Mosque in Jacksonville FLA with over 60 worshipers present two weeks ago and it barely even made a blip on the news. If you can hold a straight face and tell me that the same thing happening in a Christian church wouldn't have made nearly every headline in the country, I might begin to take this sort of talk a little bit more seriously.

Aug 27 @ 8:55PM  
*** I got pissed off when we weren't suppose to say Christmas Tree ** to be politically correct ...

wasn't allow to answer the phone at work saying "Merry Christmas"

enjoyed the blog from a Canadian, eh!

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