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I have noticed some of the bloggers on this site express themselves with intellegence and skillful I would like to propose a question that does not include the infamous debate on dic pics or rude emails.....DO YOU THINK THE MAIN REASON FOR THE WAR IN IRAQ IS TO SECURE OIL RESERVES FOR NORTH AMERICA? After all isn't it the second largest reserve in the world?

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Dec 31 @ 12:28AM  
I do not talk or follow politics all that closely, but from what I've read/seen, yes. Absolutely. Now, I will leave this discussion to those who actually know something!

Dec 31 @ 12:56AM  
Our President is a dork that's why we went to war.

Dec 31 @ 12:59AM  
i don't know all i can say is there is enough oil in alaska to feed the U.S for a long time but mainly i (personaly) belive that it all about politics at any rate i'm still proud to be born and raisd in the U.S.A

Dec 31 @ 1:12AM  
The main reason for the war in Iraq was the neocons constructed the war to because they belived that it would spread demovracy to the Middle East. Oil did play a part. The US would not have invaded Iraq or any country unless there was an international outcry (huminatarian intervention) or it was in our economic interests.

I'm a poly sci student what can I say.

Sorry for the bad spelling... it's late

Dec 31 @ 1:14AM  
Just because Iraq happens to have oil doesn't mean we're over there for it. Too many things have happened to get us to this point in our fight against terrorists. Iraq happened to be protecting such terrorists in that country before we finally went in after Saddam violated the U.N. sanctions and was a threat to Israel. Saddam also killed so many innocent people, including women and children. The guy had some bio weapons indeed, and when we finally went in to take care of the problem it's still unclear whether he had them or not still. He was a very dangerous man that was ignored over the 1990's, and it finally came to a head and action had to be taken. People in this country who is anti-war seems to use the oil issue because they hate the war so much, and I think it's irresponsible as hell to do that!

Dec 31 @ 1:54AM  
Good point Straddle...Canadians and American soldiers are engaged in some very intence battles in Afganistan as we speak and there isn't much oil in that neck of the woods

Dec 31 @ 3:22AM  
If the OP doesn't mind I'd rather say something else about what is already known: For humanitarian issues, the US has not always been honorable in her dealings over in the Middle East. One example: the Kurdish massacre of Halabja in 1988. Nary a peep from the US except for a mild honey-please-don't-do-that diplomatic chiding. Trade and diplomatic relations continued and Halabja was forgotten for a time. But when Kuwait was invaded, all of a sudden Halabja was brought to the forefront as a "convenient massacre" to help justify the first Iraq War. Apparently Kuwait was important enough to re-awaken US interest in humanitarian issues. I wonder why. And it was still being used a decade later as one of the rallying points for the second Iraq War.

Halabja was the largest scale chemical weapons attack against civilians in modern times. 5000 people died; 10000 were injured. Let it sink in and realize how little this country did to censure the perpetrators at the time. I would think a genocide on this scale would be sufficient reason for the US to take severe action like at least break off trade and diplomatic ties with Iraq. But hey, maybe the lives of Kurdish people were worth considerably less than other benefits of maintaining a relationship with Iraq.

Dec 31 @ 3:54AM  
Personally I don't agree with us being over there, and that has nothing to do with oil reserves. I think that before we go "protecting" other countries from terrorism, we should be taking care of our own. There are people in this country that don't have a place to live, don't have the money to buy food to feed their families, can't pay for their basic necessities (heat, water, etc.), the minimum wage in this country is a joke. There are employers all over this country that are out-sourcing to other countries because they don't have to pay them as much as they would an American worker. I could go on all day about what's wrong here in this country. I am greatful for the freedoms I have (although they are becoming fewer and fewer) and have sympathy for those that don't have the same choices I do.

I fully support our military, they are doing the job they are told to do. I get angry all over again when i see on the news that more Americans have died over there. What are we really fighting for?

Dec 31 @ 4:26AM  
Whether the decision to go over there was right, it's a done deal. As to whether we should still be there, I don't really know except to say that we need to do everything possible to help the Iraqis stand on their own feet. It could mean sending more troops to bolster security or it could mean drawing up a timetable for withdrawal so as to force the Iraqis to step up to the plate, or whatever scheme that works best. The main thing is that we went in and initiated change, so we have an obligation to the Iraqi people to follow through regardless of price. Leaving the job halfway and undone would be a supreme disgrace to this country.

Dec 31 @ 4:40AM  
In response to Belle's comment, I would have to say that we are taking care of our own people over here as far as fighting terrorism abroad than over here on our turf. If we didn't go abroad fighting the terrorist you can rest assure that we would be trying to fight them here in our own country, around our loved ones, family. My dad was a Marine, and when Vietnam was going on he had said to my mother that he would rather fight the enemy over there than have them over here fighting around our families and loved ones. Our soldiers are brave young men, and I respect them. I don't like to see them killed, but for them to join the military and to know the risks involved, and to fight for a country they love, how can you not respect them? They deserve our support over there, because most of these fine young men do believe in being there fighting for us. Now, to talk about the other problems that our country has has far as poor people in our country, a lot of these people make choices and are responsible for some of the problems they created. I realize that not all are like that, and there are poor people that are really good people that try and have no luck getting out of some of the tough times they are in. There is government assistance for people for people trying to get on their feet here in our country, would you find such help in other countries? For the most part, no you wouldn't. Some states are passing laws though raising min. wage, but do you really think that's the answer? Where it looks all good there will be smaller business that will hurt because of this because they will not have enough to pay their employees, so chance are they will have to cut their workforce. Or they can keep all their employees and raises the prices on everything, sound good? I know I wouldn't want that. I do see some problems with out country, but I see so many problems with all other countries around the world. It makes me proud to live here in the greatest country in the world, and I would never change that for the world!

Dec 31 @ 5:52AM  
Our soldiers are brave young men, and I respect them

I'm sure it isn't what you really meant, but plenty of our soldiers over there are women and all are not young. And many don't want to be brave any more. They want to be home, with their families, raising their children, working their jobs...protecting this country, on this turf as National Guardsmen. Yes, we also have regular military over there, but we have a huge amount of soldiers who signed up in the NG to stay here, to be on home ground, protecting our borders, helping with disaster relief at home. Has anyone seen the video by U2 and the mess on the gulf coast? Oh, it's a soapbox and I am not on this site for standing on my soapbox. There are so many wrongs in the war in Iraq...since I don't have a solution, I'll just keep my mouth shut...

Dec 31 @ 6:45AM  
I think Jeb Bush was the pride of the family and George Bush Jr. was the family dissappointment. He's retarded, a coward, and easily throws a temper tantraum. He used the attacks on 9-11 as an excuse to go to war against Iraq in a really sad attempt to win daddy's approval. I'll bet George Bush Sr. tried to explain to his son why not to fight Iraq and Mr. strongheaded didn't listen. Way to go Bush Jr.

Dec 31 @ 8:11AM  
It's easy to sit back today, and pontificate on the reasons for the 'war on gasoline'. It wasn't so easy when it all started. Outrage from American citizens over the 9/11 attack was pretty strong, remember?

Whatever views I may have on the Iraqi conflict don't really amount to a whole hill of beans. But I am reminded of a poem I heard.

A protest raged on a courthouse lawn,
'round a makeshift stage they charged on.
Fifteen hundred or more they say,
had come to burn the flag that day.

A boy held up the folded flag,
cursed it, and called it a dirty rag.
An old man pushed through the angry crowd,
with a rusty shotgun shouldered proud.

His uniform jacket was old and tight,
he had polished each button, shiny and bright.
He crossed that stage with a soldier's grace,
until he and the boy stood face to face.

"Freedom of speech," the old man said,
"Is worth dying for, good men are dead,
so you can stand on this courthouse lawn
and talk us down from dusk to dawn.
But before any flag gets burned today,
this old man is going to have his say!"

"My father died on a foreign shore,
in a war they said would end all wars.
But Tommy and I weren't even full grown,
before we fought in a war of our own.
And Tommy died on Iwo Jima's beach,
in the shadow of a hill he couldn't quite reach,
Where five good men raised this flag so high
that the whole damn world could see it fly."

"I got this bum leg that I still drag,
fighting for this same old flag.
Now there's but one shot in this old gun,
so now it's time to decide which one...
Which one of you will follow our lead,
to stand and die for what you believe?
For as sure as there is a rising sun,
you'll burn in Hell 'fore this flag burns, son."

Now this riot never came to pass.
The crowd got quiet and that can of gas
got set aside as they walked away
to talk about what they had heard this day.
And the boy who had called it a "dirty rag,"
handed the old soldier the folded flag.

So the battle of the flag this day was won
by a tired old soldier with a rusty gun,
who for one last time, had to show to some,

This poem has been attributed to the following:
Grantland Rice - Gary Huddleston - D. E. Shanklin
(if you definitively know the author please let me know)

Dec 31 @ 9:28AM  
All I know is that it's pretty easy to sit back and criticize the President and the job he does and decisions he makes. All I know is that I would not want that job or to have to be making those decisions. Damned if you do, damned if you don't.
On a personal note, I think Saddam Hussein is a bastard and got what he deserved. Unfortunately, there are tons more like him just waiting to move into power. I will never forget that black smoke rising up into the blue sky on 9/11. I didn't lose anyone in the Towers, the Pentagon, or Pennsylvania that day, but a terrible anger has been brewing ever since. God help us all.

Dec 31 @ 10:40AM  
The fight against those terrorists and dictators who want to gain control of another country or an important resource and gain control of the world economy will not end any time soon. Just think what would happen if terrorists or a dictator has total control of a huge oil reserve. The reality is that at the present time if enough oil is not available we wouldn't be able to have a way to produce enough electric power, heating oil, or gasoline for cars. JUST ABOUT EVERYTHING WILL SHUT DOWN. Fortunately this will not be allowed to happen.

Dec 31 @ 12:13PM  
I like how everyone points the finger at the president. Duh, hes a seat warmer.
If you can do a better job apply for the job, duh, thats a no brainer.
And yes war is actually good, it boosts the economy.And second it makes our young snot nosed brats who want everything into respectable adults.Course I think its chicken shit for people NOT to want a free country, and if they dont like it here,, well there are planes and trains and busses more than happy to drop ya off across the border.
Now if everyone quit whinin about how bad it is here and support out troops, it will be a better place, than some 3rd world country.oh yea, Happy new year. lalalalalalala.

Damn that felt good..... and remember, thats only an opinion.

Dec 31 @ 12:22PM  
Iraq was not about terrorists, there are too many links between other countries and terrorists Iraq had to few...

Saddam wasn't the worst butcher in a position of power either, and genocide continues in Africa.

we have the technology to be free of our dependence of oil.

Nope we went to war because W is for dork!

Dec 31 @ 12:32PM  
And yes war is actually good, it boosts the economy.

Okay, I'll remember that when my son's friend ships off to Iraq on Tuesday. Oh, and I'll remember that the next time I hear about a 19 year old being blown apart. Good for the economy? What the fuck??? Find a better reason to support a war!

Dec 31 @ 2:13PM  
Yep Sxze, I personally have never understood the logic of that kind of statement. It's like saying crime is good because it keeps the police employed. Nevermind the cost to the victims.

Dec 31 @ 3:57PM  
As far as there being enough oil in alaska, National Geographic did a great article about the oil fields in alaska which was quite interesting. Opening the alaskan wilderness to more oil drilling would yield enough oil to possibly last two years. The reasons we were given to invade Iraq were false. Our presdient has continually lied to us while he lines his cronies' pockets while our # 1 resource (our troops) are being decimated. We need to study alternative fuel sources before its too late.

Dec 31 @ 3:58PM would certainly seem that way. I dont follow politics that closely...mainly because i like my IQ being as high as it is. However, from what i catch on the news while i flip through, the reason they presented to us at first keeps changing.

I think when if first started, we were just pissed. the broke our towers and we are going to go tell mommy (in no way am i trying to cut down or minimize the destruction or the lives that were lost, im just trying to make a point) so we brought the smack down on Afghanistan...but then....wait....we went to Iraq...i guess bush figured "well while we're over here, we might as well take care of what my daddy couldnt." so we wnt to iraq and kicked some ass over there too. Now, Afghanistan still isnt fixed and EVERYONE is in Iraq. Since we have been over there, they keep changing their objective for staying at first we were mad and we were going after Al Quida, then we wanted Saddam, then we wanted to rebuild Iraq, now we want to station troops over there, now we want to establish a government, now we want to go after more we have reduced our troops to nothing more than glorified hall monitors over there.

On a personal note. I think it is time to bring home our people. They have been tere long enough. I think they more than deserve to come home. People do not come more partriotic than i am. My brothers, my father, my former fiancee and my best friend are all in the service. they have all done time over there...i think enough damage has been done. its not too late to save others.

Dec 31 @ 4:47PM  
Straddle, I never once said i don't support our troops. I believe I said l fully support our military, they are doing what they are told to do. My father was in the Navy, my cousin was in the Navy, my step-son is in the Navy, other family members in the Army, Marines, and the Air Force. I DON'T belive we should be there, and I DON'T believe we are doing all we can for the people of this country, that's just my opinion. I believe we talked about that on the phone last night. Just because I don't agree with you doesn't make me wrong. Ok, i'm done with this subject. Two things that shouldn't be discussed by friends - politics and religion.

Dec 31 @ 4:52PM  
Well I am naive enough to hope we invaded for humanitarian reasons to rid the world of at least one of the dictators out there, but unfortunately I am also practical enough to believe it was done for strategic reasons to gain access to the oil, boost our economy (which sickens me that they find our soldiers so dispensable) and because GW thought it would make him a hero. Cant help but agree with Canu he is a dork. A complete idiot when it comes to making sound decisions on behalf of the people of the United States.

Dec 31 @ 5:02PM  
Belle, in no where did I say in my comments that you didn't support our troops.

Dec 31 @ 5:27PM  
Oops, Straddle, you're right you didn't. I had to go back and read it again. I apologize.

Dec 31 @ 5:38PM  
We need to study alternative fuel sources before its too late.

I agree and besides, the sooner we can be energy self-sufficient, the sooner we can remove dependence on oil-rich middle-eastern countries. I think it would be simpler than trying to exert control over that volatile region.

Dec 31 @ 11:36PM  
i think at this point, we just simply cannot back out, that why it is still going on

Jan 1 @ 2:48AM  
WOW.....thanks folks for all the well thought out comments...proves to me the people on this site are very special...there are so many aspects to a problem it is almost impossable to distill down to a common denominator but I will try...Wars are fought for many reasons...some of which the general population never is informed ...when the bugle is sounded and the press releases begin we are given the reasons for war ...some of which are false....a disinformation of sorts...designed to soften the reality that we will be killed if we do not kill...the last two major wars have been somewhat ambiguous in there intention...Vietnam and Iraq.....hence my confusion....I think it is important to create dialogue on this matter as well on topics like homelessness and the ineffective response to Katrina. Governments need to be made accountable for their actions and inactions after all aren't they the representatives of all of us? Once again thankyou for your response and I look forward to blogging with you

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