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so you think i just put anything on here without researching it frist (WRONG!) you think that the writer is a hater of Muslim (WRONG!) you think she doesn't know what she's talking about (WRONG!) just a lil info for you who really don't know shit! about the real world or this boring writer as you said.

Nonie Darwish
born in 1949 Cairo,Egypt (HELLO!)
Founder and President of Arabs For Israel
Author of (2) books
Egyptian-American human rights activist
Public Speaker with emphasis on women's rights and minority rights in the middle east!
Award winner of the "Woman of Exceptional Courage" award from the Clare Boothe Luce Policy Institute for speaking up about the brutalizations of women in the middle east.

so next time you open YOUR! mouth how about you know what the hell your taking about!

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Wordsofwit

Jan 13 @ 1:42PM  
Her bio.
sugarnspice005

Jan 13 @ 1:43PM  
I spoke from what I've learned by talking directly to those who are Muslim and what their feelings are on this.

Now, maybe over in the Middle East, the way they practice Islam is different from what they do over here. Just like any other religion...in different areas of the globe, it's can be called the same, but, practiced differently.
dmbchick420

Jan 13 @ 1:44PM  
This thread is interesting.

I looked up the author as well. She has never written a book called, "Joys of Muslim Women".
lunanegra

Jan 13 @ 1:50PM  
Darwish believes Islam is an authoritarian ideology that is attempting to impose on the world the norms of seventh-century culture of the Arabian Peninsula. She writes that Islam is a "sinister force" that must be resisted and contained. She remarks that it is hard to "comprehend that an entire religion and its culture believes God orders the killing of unbelievers." She accuses Islam and Sharia of forming a retrograde ideology that adds greatly to the world's stock of misery.[11]

She claims the Qur'an is a text that is "violent, incendiary, and disrespectful" and says that barbarities such as brutalization of women, the persecution of homosexuals, honor killings, the beheading of apostates and the stoning of adulterers come directly out of the Qur'an.

From the link Bruce offered up.

You know, in all due respects, some of the things that are found in the Qur'an are found in the Bible, too. The way this lady feels is clearly a personal vendetta,imo. Like Sugar said, one can't possibly think that all Muslims believe in the views of extremists...do you?
DesertSmile

Jan 13 @ 2:09PM  
Like religion,, politics and Blogs don't mix.
DarkKnightWalking

Jan 13 @ 2:31PM  
I would like to see confirmation that she indeed wrote this, first and foremost. I can find no evidence either way.

Obviously an inflammatory topic and subject, to which I would advise ANYONE to have their facts triple checked before going there.

And to be completely and totally open and honest with no offense meant alan...

You have an ad in your name. You only drop in and post a load of copy and paste blogs then fade away again. You don't really participate in anything else. Do you truly expect everyone to treat you any different than another spammer who comes along? Then you post an obviously inflammatory blog without being able to post verifications of either the content or the author. Think about it.
40DWM

Jan 13 @ 3:25PM  
Personally, I don't really care about Darwish or what she did, did not, or even
thought of writing.

http://prophetofdoom.net/Open_Letter_America_The_War_on_Terror.Islam

There is enough HONEST information online, that even I can find it. You can
beoitch all you want, but there is good information, all you have to do is find it,
or........click the link.

RJ53

Jan 13 @ 3:54PM  
clearly a personal vendetta,imo

And one that sells books and probably gets her speaking engagements which puts money in her pockets.
Leonidas100

Jan 13 @ 4:15PM  
Luna - I agree, not all Muslims are extremists...but there are still several Middle Eastern countries that practice Sharia Law to its fullest extent. So it's not just a couple of extremists... It's entire nations that engage in this sytematic oppression of millions of Islamic women!
lunanegra

Jan 13 @ 4:32PM  
Luna - I agree, not all Muslims are extremists...but there are still several Middle Eastern countries that practice Sharia Law to its fullest extent. So it's not just a couple of extremists...

Yes, I know, but why do we denigrate what goes on in their religion, but never seem to criticize Christianity? In some Fundamentalist Christian religions, there are child brides, attacking of abortion clinics by bombs- oh gee! Don't those ~evil towelheads~ use bombs? I guess when someone is blown to bits in the name of Jesus, its alright..right?

I'm not saying either religion is are paragons of morality, but how fair is it to judge a religion when we had no time to examine our own hypocrisy?
RJ53

Jan 13 @ 5:07PM  
I was talking with a friend who works for Barnes and Noble who deals with ordering books for people. She told me that someone on the internet took part of a name of another book The Sorrows and Joys of Muslim Women by a different author and then took this authors viewpoints and exaggerated them and posted this article on the internet. They now have people coming in the store looking for the book. You will not find it because it does not exist. I also checked online at a several sites and they also informed me there was not a book by that name and referred me to the Sorrow and Joys of Muslim Women Like most urban legands on the internet it is a gumbo of bits of information that looks like it could be true and plays on the emotions and fears of those who believe everything they read.
RevDocLove

Jan 13 @ 5:11PM  
Pretty much the Quran is a rip off from the Bible by an extremist/terrorist
named Muhammed..
The link that 40DWM posted led me to another interesting link..
Wordsofwit

Jan 13 @ 5:24PM  
Like most urban legands on the internet it is a gumbo of bits of information that looks like it could be true and plays on the emotions and fears of those who believe everything they read.

I am not surprised at this as it sounded fishy. There are far too many people that distort facts, put words in others mouths to serve their own purposes knowing people will mistakenly believe it at face value because it supports the readers' predisposition. I checked this particular story out on snopes and could find nothing on it.

There are many reliable news sources, but one's email box is rarely one of them. I suspect that is how the poster came by it. I discussed this more fully in the past with examples. Basically people need to validate and verify before they post.
drcocktail87

Jan 13 @ 5:24PM  
I did happen to spend approximately an hour reading on Sharian Law, widely interpreted as Islamic law, which by the way is wrong. There for a number of sources that I checked. Sharia in Arabic roughly means "way", or "guidelines", but the term is considered redundant and not somebodies laws.
Darwish believes Islam is an authoritarian ideology that is attempting to impose on the world the norms of seventh-century culture of the Arabian Peninsula. She writes that Islam is a "sinister force" that must be resisted and contained. She remarks that it is hard to "comprehend that an entire religion and its culture believes God orders the killing of unbelievers." She accuses Islam and Sharia of forming a retrograde ideology that adds greatly to the world's stock of misery.[11]

She claims the Qur'an is a text that is "violent, incendiary, and disrespectful" and says that barbarities such as brutalization of women, the persecution of homosexuals, honor killings, the beheading of apostates and the stoning of adulterers come directly out of the Qur'an.[11]
Darwish is a strong supporter of Israel, and has founded the group "Arabs for Israel". She is the author of two books: "Now They Call Me Infidel" and
"Cruel and Unusual Punishment", both discussing homan rights, specifically woman's human rights.
Now the subject of Sharia or Sharian Law is controversial and subject to a wide variety of interpretations and whether or not it has any relevance in the Qur'an, although it is specifically mentioned in the text. There is sufficent evidence that most practices, traditions and injustices are indeed in place in the Middle East. While the word Sharia does appear in the Qur'an is it the sole premise or guidelines for the Muslim bible? No, it is not. All aspects of Sharia are covered in the Qur'an as a Muslim way of life. Most Muslims misunderstand it's relevance. Some associate it with Medieval times, the amputation of limbs, lashings, stonings and more draconian aspects of life. Other Muslims see it as a source of enlightenment and a nurturing of humanity.

Now to the comments. Merely posting a link to a site which I'm sure supports the commentators opinion is an example of indifference and a lack of common sense which is the safe harbor of ignorance and an excuse for intellectual laziness.They don't know the truth--their common sense has spared them the effort of investigation of thought. This I know to be a fact concerning one of our posters.

You only drop in and post a load of copy and paste blogs then fade away again. You don't really participate in anything else. Do you truly expect everyone to treat you any different than another spammer who comes along? Then you post an obviously inflammatory blog without being able to post verifications of either the content or the author

I'm sorry DKW, but what relevance does this have regarding the topic?
As to the other comments, with the exception of Luna, they rarely offer any insight and comment only with the plurality.
Leonidas100

Jan 13 @ 5:26PM  
Luna -This is what I wrote in Alan's initial blog

"And this applies to Christianity as well...I think extremist or literal interpretions of the bible can be dangerous in today's world since it reflects a value system from 2,000 years ago. If the Qur'an and bible are interpreted from a 21st century context, however, the overall messages/ themes gleaned from both books can be very valuable."


Sure, the bible can be misinterpreted for evil purposes by Christians/muslims alike. And yes, Christians need to look at themselves as well to avoid hypocrisy.
But the fact remains many Islamic woman are brutally oppressed by Sharia law.

If you can find modern examples of governments operating solely under institutionalized Biblical law and punishments, let me know.
Wordsofwit

Jan 13 @ 5:39PM  
This blog has initiated some very good debate with varying viewpoints. It should be educational to an extent on multiple levels.
drcocktail87

Jan 13 @ 5:44PM  
I looked up the author as well. She has never written a book called, "Joys of Muslim Women".

Had this poster bothered to spend a little time she would have discovered that this is the blog, I repeat dear, a blog written by Nonie Darwish, and it is the article that the author of the blog cut and pasted. I don't recall reading in the blog anywhere that the author claimed this to be a book, but I read the whole article, you say you didn't. SO......
As I said....common sense is the safe harbor of the ignorant and an excuse for intellectual laziness. They don't know the truth--their common sense has spared them the effort of investigation of thought.
drcocktail87

Jan 13 @ 5:49PM  
This blog has initiated some very good debate with varying viewpoints. It should be educational to an extent on multiple levels.

Well we thank you for that significant and validating input. At least it wasn't a link.
Wordsofwit

Jan 13 @ 6:07PM  
At least it wasn't a link.

I have no problem with citing sources that have spent far more time on a subject than you or I am willing to, to provide perspectives on a topic. I have found that I learn much more from listening to learned and educated others so as to absorb what they convey than I do from listening to myself or you.
RevDocLove

Jan 13 @ 7:17PM  
I found this urban legend in Snopes first started circulating in 2000..
Shari'a Law is just an extension of the old Caliph ruled regimes in the Middle East.
I believe it goes back to about the 12th century(unverified)
Remember the bible is a compilation of stories and myths by several hundred authors..The Quran is authored by Mohammed based on the punishment stories in the Bible.
lunanegra

Jan 13 @ 7:42PM  
If you can find modern examples of governments operating solely under institutionalized Biblical law and punishments, let me know.

Does Catholicism count? Ok, so there aren't any, but you can't tell me that most laws here in America aren't influenced by the Bible in some form? Or that strongly religious politicians try to influence with their beliefs on certain hot-button issues?
drcocktail87

Jan 13 @ 11:10PM  
Good blog by the way Alan.
drcocktail87

Jan 14 @ 12:29AM  
I had never even considered Snopes a possible source of Islamist law and The Qur'an. I always thought the site was a source of internet rumors and urban legends. Wow, and I'm usually very exhaustive in my sources of knowledge. Seems I've been remiss.
Leonidas100

Jan 14 @ 2:36AM  
Luna, I agree...Sure, American law is influenced by the Bible. Things from the Ten Commandments like "Thou shall not steal, thou shall not kill, etc. are all addressed in the Constitutions of all 50 states. And yes, politicians can be religiously influenced, especially on issues like abortion.

I'm not saying either religion is are paragons of morality, but how fair is it to judge a religion when we had no time to examine our own hypocrisy?

I'm not judging Islam as a whole...What I am criticizing is inhumane punishments and female repression brought about by religious extremism and misinterpretation. American law derived from the Bible does not punish offenders with torture, stoning, lashes, or bodily mutilation....And if condemning Sharia law for being practiced to its most extreme and barbaric extent is considered hypocritical because we're Christian, then call me a hypocrite!











RevDocLove

Jan 14 @ 8:15AM  
I found this urban legend in Snopes first started circulating in 2000.

Perhaps at least one of the previous posters should read and pay attention before engaging mouth
dmbchick420

Jan 14 @ 8:41AM  
There are some people that will say the sky is green and the grass is blue just so they can prove you wrong.
RevDocLove

Jan 14 @ 8:51AM  
Ain't that the truth???
surv6969

Jan 14 @ 9:39AM  
How did Christianity spread throughout the World? BY FORCE.

So don't think it cannot happen again with another religion.

drcocktail87

Jan 14 @ 1:59PM  
Curious that the Snopes reference has been removed. He's learning which is a hopeful sign.
surv, a number of people need to realize that all civilizations, states are not guaranteed immunity from assault. Empires and perpetuity can be brief when viewed in perspective. Rome wasn't built in a day, neither was it's demise.
gardasian

Jan 17 @ 2:46PM  
And some people wonder why I chose Paganism over "organized" religion...
RevDocLove

Jan 17 @ 6:13PM  
I guess that 240,000 hits for 'nonie darwish author ,joys of muslim women' are all
bogus and don't think she wrote The article/blog/book or whatever..

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my response to the people who didnt like my blog Joy(?) of Muslim Women