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Why does the criminal justice system continually release carreer criminals into the population so they can commit more crimes and hurt or even kill more people?

Is it because the justice system is like a large corporation and the more customers means continual employment for judges, lawyers, bailiffs, parole officers and on and on?

It seems they have no regard for the safety of the average person. They know that when they release a pedaphile, rapist, killer for the tenth time, that the chances of them hurting other people is onehundred percent but they still release them.

I think these judges, politicans and parole officers should be held accountable when these criminals re offend. We are like sitting ducks to these criminals because they know the consequences of their criminal behaior will be very minor...a few years at most ...shit most of then are out on baill within twenty four hours they can rob, rape, kill and beat whoever they like. Ask any policeman and they will tell you how frustrating it is to arrest someone on a major charge then see them out the next day doing exactly the same things.

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Dec 1 @ 11:28AM  
Good blog borty and a kudo for it. I couldn't agree with you more. I use to hang out with a bunch of cops from the city I use to live in and I can tell you first hand how frustrated they are when they arrest someone for something and they are back out on the streets to continue doing what they were arrested for before the police finish with their paper work. It's a sad situation but so true.

Dec 1 @ 11:30AM  
It's a vicious cycle. The more crime, the more defenseless the sheeple feel, the more they demand that the government 'do something' about it and the more control the government takes. The more control the government takes the worse things get and the sheeple demand more government control. It's win-win for the control freaks of government, lose-lose for free people.


Dec 1 @ 11:31AM  
Good blog....I completely agree

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Dec 1 @ 11:37AM  
Good blog. I've got a friend whose brother is a cop in the township I live in, and he has complained over and over about the frustration of arresting someone, they have their trial, get convicted, get out early on "good time", only to turn around and commit the same crime. A while back, probably about 10 years, maybe more, our local news was running a story on a woman who would break the law in order to be put in jail. She WANTED to be in jail because she didn't want to work and pay bills. She said something like, being in jail would be the same as being at home, she would be able to shower, eat, sleep, and watch tv...all the same that she does at home, minus the bills. I've known a few people through out the years who have made that same comment. Face it, jail isn't a punishment anymore, it's a way of life for some who don't want to work or earn their way. I remember Bill Clinton used to talk about the "3 strikes and you're out" law...where if you get convicted a 3rd time for the same crime, there is no more chances. Whatever happened to that?

Dec 1 @ 11:51AM  

Kudo m'dear....good blog.

Dec 1 @ 11:54AM  
I'm with New Guy here.. the injustice system is set up now to punish the victims rather than the criminals. We have legislated ourselves into a corner. Vigilante justice may not be the answer.. but it sure beats the piss out of what we have now.

Dec 1 @ 12:40PM  
The cops and judges would be able to think much more clearly if

they would all just agree to wear tinfoil hats!

Dec 1 @ 1:18PM  
I think these judges, politicans and parole officers should be held accountable when these criminals re offend.

There's your answer to your blog right there:

No accountability for their actions (judges, politicans and parole officers) also, well learned people in the justice system, can be 'book smart' with no common sense, what so ever!

But the main reason: is no accountability for their actions... period!!! I've hollered about that more than once before!


Dec 1 @ 3:27PM  
Because of our justice system as it exists now, the subject of parole and the overcrowding of our prisons, has become an increasingly integral part of our correction policy. The process varies from state to state. From a fiscal standpoint imposing the death penalty versus the cost of life imprisonment with no parole surprisingly may exceed the latter. Texas, one of 35 states that do impose the death penalty has published figures that support the theory that it costs three times more to execute then the cost of imprisonment without parole. Hence the reluctance of some states to favor the imposition of the death penalty.
Parole boards consider several factors in their decision process, length of time served, good time conduct, prisoners participating in vocational or educational programs, as well as subjective testimony from the guards which may or not be true. Parole decisions in many cases are hidden from public record other then the yes or no verdict. They are not subject to review nor may defense advocates challenge the decision.

Today we learn of the shooting and death of Maurice Clemmons, 37, by Seattle police after he randomly shot and killed 4 Seattle police officers 3 days ago. Clemmons had been sentenced at 16 to 100 years in prison for numerous offenses. At the recommendation of the parole board and the former Judge reviewing his sentence, former Governor and presidential candidate Mike Huckabee commuted his sentencing in 2000 to 47 years thereby making him eligible for parole. He was released and violated parole in 2004 and reincarcerated until he was paroled again in 2008. The rest is todays news.

Former and now retired Vermont Judge Cashmen in 2006, gave a 60 day sentence to a pedophile who admitted raping a 7 year old repeatedly over a 4 year period claiming he no longer believes in punishment, and 'anger doesn't solve anything'. Later, after heated public outrage and pressure from Fox News's Bill O'Reilly he revoked his decision and sentenced pedophile Mark Hullett to 2 years. Unbelievable, yes, justice....what do you think?

We do need proceedural and administrative changes in our judicial and parole system regarding repeat offenders, as well as oversight on those members of the Judicial arm of the system on a national and state level. However those changes can only be addressed by said individual states and by proxy, its citizens. That will entail due diligence from you. Our society faces mounting and continuing challenges in all facets of our day to day lives, and the role of the individual citizen has never been more in need

Dec 1 @ 3:36PM  
That being said, I hasten to leave and review a blog of a much more serious nature regarding fat women in panties.Thank you borty293 for posting an intelligent, well written blog and topic.


Dec 1 @ 4:27PM  
After living in some rather shady neighborhoods through the years, I can tell you that the cops have their hands full. Problem is there are more going into the prisons than are coming out. They run out of room and people are let out to make room for new ones coming in. They don't let them out then what do they do with new ones? It is easy to say build more prisons but guess who is going to have to pay for that one? They are expensive to build. I think the problem is that they need to be more selective as to who they let go. The kid who broke into a house at 15 with his friends should be sent to rehabilation instead of prison and that would leave more room for a violent criminal the be kept behind bars. Let the guy out who sold a little pot to an undercover officer. (Not hard drugs) Let people like Leonard Peltier out who they know damn well did not do what he was charged with and has been kept in jail for political reasons. All I am saying maybe they need to go over all this case by case and make more room and keep these people locked up for good. The justice system needs a good dose of common sene which seems to be lacking over the last few years.

Dec 1 @ 4:59PM  
Great blog Borty!

I'm curious as to how it is that it can cost three times more to execute than to imprison for life without parole? I'm sure the stats are out there, I'll look them up later. If Drcocktail has a site of reference I'd appreciate it.

As for judges imposing light sentences, reversing convictions and basically letting criminals go...yes some are making poor decisions to say the least. When these judges make a career of making decisions like this, its time to let them go. Like I said in my earlier blog, these are either elected officials or appointed by elected officials. Either way, the people have the power to have them be held accountable.

Parole officers are overworked and underpaid. I will never understand why anyone would want to be in this job on purpose...too much work with very little reward. I've known one or two...former cops...who originally took the job with stars in their eyes. Determined to make a difference. After a couple of years of 16 hour days, they pretty much gave up and fell in with the rest.

I agree these people...all of them need to be held accountable. However, I also believe that parents, teachers and anyone else involved in raising and teaching children should be held accountable. Absent fathers, crack-whore mothers, and teachers who only care about their honor-roll students or star jocks...have to realize that they are responsible for every child they turn out into the real world.

As for pedophiles...they all need to be rounded up and put in an incinerator. No amount of jail or psychiatric care will ever cure them.

Dec 1 @ 5:20PM  
Yes ...I've also read somewhere that its more expensive for the state to execute than to incarcerate. We must also take into consideration that 25 to 30 percent of these hard core criminals are sociopathic and to release them for any reason is a recipe for disaster.

What sparked this blog is that a longtime friend of mine, who has retired from the police force has been under stress since the murders of the four police in Seattle. He knows very well the trauma the families and the police force goes through.

Dec 1 @ 5:40PM  
Around here they ignore the big crimes and pick on the little offenders. Things like unpaid traffic fines or court costs. I see good people trying to get ahead picked up all the time for stupid minor things while the real criminals keep on doing their thing.

Dec 1 @ 5:45PM
A breakdown state by state.

I'll do the homework for you sundance. However, my initial comments came from research I had done before on a paper and my statements were from memory. In any case, you're headhunting rather then adding to the discussion.

Dec 1 @ 5:53PM  

Texas death penalty cases cost more than non-capital cases
That is about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the highest security level for 40 years. ("Executions Cost Texas Millions," Dallas Morning News, March 8, 1992)

I'll save you some time reading...same link as above. Any questions, I'll be more then happy to explain it to you.


Dec 1 @ 7:01PM  
In any case, you're headhunting rather then adding to the discussion

How is she headhunting and not adding to the discussion? I thought her comment was very much adding to the discussion.

Dec 1 @ 7:31PM  
When you execute a criminal, at least he/she won't be a repeat offender. No asshole governor can release them to kill again.

Dec 1 @ 9:27PM  
In the words of one of our more erudite members.....

I completely agree!

Dec 2 @ 1:16AM  
In any case, you're headhunting rather then adding to the discussion.

What do you mean by "headhunting"? I was merely asking for clarification...

Dec 2 @ 1:19AM  
Any questions, I'll be more then happy to explain it to you.

Thank you, but I'll pass. As I said above...I was only asking for clarification on your statement, as in where did you get your facts. I really prefer to do my own research.

Dec 2 @ 1:52AM  
After doing just a little bit of reading, I've discovered that I misunderstood the statement about the execution costing more than incarceration. That statement is actually a little misleading, but either way...

The actual cost are in the defense of a person who is being tried in a case where the death penalty is being sought. Between investigation, the actual trial and the appeals, it adds up.

The actual cost of incarceration on death row is about the same per day. Cost of an execution is about $86 for the injections...$25 for embalming.

Dec 2 @ 6:34AM  
Currently in my town, the most important law to be walking your dog in any public cemetary!
Yep, that's what is important here, of btw...we have a share of dope dealers, meth lab, child molesters... but keep those dogs out of the graveyards!

Dec 2 @ 9:53PM  
The actual cost of incarceration on death row is about the same per day. Cost of an execution is about $86 for the injections...$25 for embalming

Thank you for that pertinent fact. I didn't know about the $25. That skews their data and I'm sure they over looked it. I'm going to contact the DPIC and make that data available to them prior to them publishing their next report.

"In 1992, the Dallas Morning News concluded that a death penalty case costs an average of $2.3 million, about three times the cost of imprisoning someone in a single cell at the ...' (another misleading statement)


Dec 2 @ 10:03PM  
I wasn't saying that you were being deliberately misleading...just that the statement itself is misleading. Execution in and of itself is not more expensive that incarceration for life without parole. The trial is more expensive.

Dec 3 @ 2:17AM  
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Great Christmas Gift

As my father always told me....Son, you can buy 'em books, and buy 'em books, but you just can't teach 'em to read.

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