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  sugarnspice005

Ok, I deleted the other blog cause it didn't go quite as planned. I guess I wasn't clear on what I was looking for. It was intended as a discussion blog on what we, normal citizens out here, would do to reform health care if it were up to us. So, I'm going to try again.

If it were up to us to reform health care, what would you do? An idea I've had is I would look into tort reform. Cap punitive damages at 10 million dollars. And, I would also look to banning frivolous suits, and, for those who sought frivolous suits, I would look into fining them.

Oh yeah, I also want to mention this has NOTHING to do with Republicans, Democrats, or Independents. This is just for the people of Pervia to give their ideas on what they would do if they could.

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selectusername

Oct 26 @ 4:36PM  
Free band-aids for everybody!!

Oh wait, there is no free anything...

it's all paid for by higher taxes!
dmbchick420

Oct 26 @ 4:43PM  
I would leave the decisions up to the doctors instead of the health insurance companies like it is now. A doctor wants a patient on a certain medication or to have a certain test done and the insurance company says no.....we aren't paying for that....try this drug instead or do this first. The doctor's need to make the decisions....not the insurance companies....it's bullshit....and I see it all the time. I've worked in doctor's offices for the past 13 years and this is the biggest problem I have seen. Let doctors do their jobs without interference.....they know what they are doing dammit.
Wordsofwit

Oct 26 @ 7:21PM  
Just one person's opinion, but I find the suggestion to be an exercise in futility. Your representatives and senators are either democrats or republican and that pretty much determines how they will vote. By and large, you either live in a red state or a blue state and that is a major factor. Some people may reside in "purple" states, but they are a minority. My state is a red state and my representatives are fire engine red. Wasting time and effort on influencing them is pissing in the wind as their votes are a foregone conclusion in my case.

Wordsofwit

Oct 26 @ 7:27PM  
I will only contribute one related idea because it angers me to no end: Put an immediate end to advertising prescription drugs! Everybody has issues with the cost of prescriptions especially those without generic equivalents. As they must be prescribed by a physician, it seems to me that if the drug was the best one to treat a medical condition, that the doctor would prescribe it. There is no justifiable reason to shell out all of this money on advertising, especially on TV, as it only drives up the cost of the drug.
StraddleMyNose

Oct 26 @ 7:29PM  
banning frivolous suits
Or make it so that the loser has to pay all court costs on both sides. That would reduce frivolous lawsuits in a big way!

I would support almost anything that didn't have the public option in it to where the government would be part of this. Also, anything to where the government can't tax you if you're middle class and don't want to buy into health care. I do have health care insurance with State Farm, but I feel people have a right to choose if they want health care or not. I also don't live having more of our taxes going up so we can cover everyone in this country who isn't covered.

These two things are sticking points with me.
StraddleMyNose

Oct 26 @ 7:31PM  
Oh yes, and we should be able to keep the doctors that we have.
sugarnspice005

Oct 26 @ 7:39PM  
Ok, I have a question.

What does a person do who hasn't had a job in over 2 years due the struggling economy finds they have to have a surgery. This person has no income, no savings, is 100% totally broke. And the surgery cannot be put off. This person has been trying to find work, and just hasn't been able to get hired. So, this person has the surgery, has no way of paying for it. Applies to the state for help, gets turned down. Applies to local charities, and again, gets refused help. Yet the bills are coming in, and now, threats of lawsuits to get the money. What can this person do?
StraddleMyNose

Oct 26 @ 7:46PM  
What does a person do who hasn't had a job in over 2 years due the struggling economy finds they have to have a surgery. This person has no income, no savings, is 100% totally broke. And the surgery cannot be put off. This person has been trying to find work, and just hasn't been able to get hired. So, this person has the surgery, has no way of paying for it. Applies to the state for help, gets turned down. Applies to local charities, and again, gets refused help. Yet the bills are coming in, and now, threats of lawsuits to get the money. What can this person do?
There's no easy answers to this, but I don't feel that it's right to punish the middle class. I mean, a lot of people in middle class do well to keep their heads above water taking care of themselves and their family. And if a bill passes to where the taxes are hiked even more on us all, that's going to cause a lot of families to go under as well.
StraddleMyNose

Oct 26 @ 7:51PM  
Btw, shouldn't Obama be focused on jobs and the economy than tackling health care? The economy and jobs should be priority right now. This health care issue really could have waited a little later down the road. Getting people back to work would solve many of these problems.
sugarnspice005

Oct 26 @ 7:54PM  
No no no......this isn't a blog on what Congress or the President SHOULD do, this is a blog about what WE would do if it were up to US to reform health care.
StraddleMyNose

Oct 26 @ 8:12PM  
And who's trying to reform health care at the present time? This topic is still related to what's going on with the president, congress, and senate. But I will respect your wishes and not focus on this part of it.

To answer your question then, I would focus on job growth and the economy to help make health care a minor issue at first. Then I would look at what else needs to be done with reforming health care.
ShadowMale

Oct 26 @ 8:47PM  
I agree with straddle. People could afford healthcare if they had jobs, and everything else didn't cost a fortune (most notably fuel).
Wordsofwit

Oct 26 @ 8:52PM  
I don't really have any more to say on the original subject. However, with all due respect, Straddle, you are polluting the blog commentary with off topic right wing spouting. Like the lady said,
I also want to mention this has NOTHING to do with Republicans, Democrats, or Independents.
longhorn386

Oct 26 @ 9:03PM  
What does a person do who hasn't had a job in over 2 years due the struggling economy finds they have to have a surgery. This person has no income, no savings, is 100% totally broke. And the surgery cannot be put off. This person has been trying to find work, and just hasn't been able to get hired. So, this person has the surgery, has no way of paying for it. Applies to the state for help, gets turned down. Applies to local charities, and again, gets refused help. Yet the bills are coming in, and now, threats of lawsuits to get the money. What can this person do?
I heard that if you go to prison they take good care of your health, including dental! I don't know how true this is. Of course it's hard to get locked up, you only get a slap on the wrist and back on the street....time after time.
sugarnspice005

Oct 26 @ 9:32PM  
I heard that if you go to prison they take good care of your health, including dental!

And how does this help reform health care? Seems that would add to the cost.


StraddleMyNose

Oct 26 @ 10:21PM  
I don't really have any more to say on the original subject. However, with all due respect, Straddle, you are polluting the blog commentary with off topic right wing spouting.

What I said isn't all that different than what you were spouting off a year ago about jobs jobs jobs, and the economy when Bush was still in office. My comment wasn't really off topic as I feel that jobs and the economy will play a major role on who's insured and who isn't. Jobs can help a lot of people and would go a long way in solving most of the problems with health care today with some room for reform. IMO

So now, you have changed your tune on what the number one issue of today is because Obama has made health care a priority instead of fixing the economy? Hmmm....how convient...



KitKat25

Oct 26 @ 10:26PM  
Tough topic...also very touchy topic.

Let's see...I agree with dmbchick, let the doctors alone already. They need autonomy from the insurance companies to do their job effectively. It's like they always have "big brother" in the exam room with the patient. I really do not know how some doctors manage to perform their jobs effectively. How many horror stories do we have to hear about so-called insurance company interference before they amend this practice?

Wow also made an interesting point about prescription drug advertising. There is a lot of "it" on T.V. and it would stand to reason that this practice would significantly drive up the cost of these particular drugs. I had never really thought about it from this POV, and it does make sense that it would save a lot of money if they stopped this practice.

Straddle made a good point about a person being able to retain the doctor of their choice and I agree with this, as it costs additional funds to have a patient switch doctors and get the new doctor up to speed on what the patient requires of them.

I really have never understood why the middle class is targeted so often for additional tax increase. Okay...I get it, but I don't get it. To me, it makes more sense to tax the upper class if needed. Obviously, there is not some fund with an endless supply of revenue that we can keep withdrawing funds from...eventually, someone has to pay.

One thing I do feel is interesting is the way Canada does not budget or spend as much money in certain areas, therefore creating a bit of a cash flow to fund socialized healthcare. If Canada devoted more funds to the military, or some of the other areas that the U.S. spends excessive funding on currently, they probably wouldn't be able to offer socialized healthcare for very long. I really believe your financial priorities have to be in line with the programs you wish to fund. At this juncture, I do not see how the socialized system would work in the U.S.

I've always felt there is parts from both privatized and socialized healthcare that work. Now if the U.S. could only figure out a way to take the good pieces, throw them into a pot, and develop a program that is financial sound and patient friendly. A pipe dream I suppose, but I sure wish it would happen.

Healthcare reform is such huge topic...it is quite difficult to effectively address it in a single blog. JMO

Sending you a greenie for your effort in trying to initiate dialog on an important topic that does require additional discussion.
somnium

Oct 26 @ 11:42PM  
I just got back less than an hour ago so, I missed this blog!

Ok, here we go, short and sweet and I'll dispense with what is going on and why!

You want to know what WE as citizens would do to reform our health care system? WE would never have let this health care reform strategy as is being done right now, ever get off the ground to begin with! WE would take what we have had in place for decades and apply a workable, solid plan to eliminate the corruption and inefficiencies that plague the health care system as it is!

After that has been put in place, with a watchdog committee, overseeing the progress and if necessary, make adjustments to stay on track! Then WE would want to get advice from the medical professionals (doctors, researchers, administrators, insurers etc.) as well as a questionnaire (with space for suggestions) for patients (with some kind of an incentive), to fill out at their leisure and mail it in, for their input on ways to what WE could do to provide better service for them! In short, everyone concerned, has a say in the matter! As it is right now, no one and I mean NO one, is even asking the people who will be affected by reform the most- the patients themselves!

So, that's it then! Leave the damn government, special interests groups and others, with a stake in this health care reform going on now- out of it!


KitKat25

Oct 27 @ 12:25AM  
WE would take what we have had in place for decades and apply a workable, solid plan to eliminate the corruption and inefficiencies that plague the health care system as it is!

Well put Som. I wondered why you had commented on this blog yet.

Leave the damn government, special interests groups and others, with a stake in this health care reform going on now- out of it!

Nuff said.
ShadowMale

Oct 27 @ 12:30AM  
All this talk about right and left wing.... pissing and moaning about which is correct.

Forgive me if I'm wrong, but doesn't it require both wings to fly?

People need to stop spending so damn much time arguing over what wing you're supposed to lean on, and start paying attention to what the polititians (all wings) are doing. Beyond that, people need to wake up and realize that without jobs and stronger economy, reformed healthcare will make little difference to the poor, because healthcare can only keep starving people alive for so long. And on the backs of who do we pay for life support for the malnurished?

We are dangerously close to being in a recession as bad as the great depression, and all the government is worried about is healthcare? They tell us we are coming out of the recession despite facts that we are still losing jobs. Who cares that it is at a slower rate, when the loss is still over 10,000 a month... it shouldn't even be 1000 a month.

In reality, if you have an emergency, the emergency room cannot turn you down. Will they hound you for money? Probably. But if you're broke, what are they going to do to you? Take your nothing away?

Here is a novel idea, stop giving free healthcare to illegal aliens who actually HAVE the money, but refuse to pay, and give healthcare to the people that actually PAID their taxes, at least at some point in their life. This bullshit about illegal aliens deserving equal rights is BULLSHIT. Why bother requiring citizenship if there are no benefits?

Greedy ass polititians and panzy ass judges is what is wrong with this country. And that my friends comes with both wings.

It shall be known henceforth as rare sense, because obviously it is no longer common.

Just my opinion.
StraddleMyNose

Oct 27 @ 12:45AM  
Here is a novel idea, stop giving free healthcare to illegal aliens
Well said!

Well said on all of your last comment.
slohand_47

Oct 27 @ 8:43PM  
I saw a few good ideas. I really like WOW comment about advertising for prescription drugs. I'd like to think my Dr gets his drug information from something more than the half time show of the sunday football game.

Dr's should decide what medical care you need, not the insurance company.

I too an in favor of torte reform but from a different angle.
1. Limit Attorney fee's to 20% of the judgement.
2. Once filed, that case HAS to go before a judge in 12 months, or less.
3) Cases are decided by a JUDGE, not a jury panel of unemployed, wealth envious, low IQ ......... (pause to take a breath)
4. NO settling out of court once filed. You had your chance, now let the judge decide. IF a lawsuit is dertermined by the judge to have absolutely NO merit at all and is nothing more than an attempt at legal extortion, the attorney filing the suit has to pay the attorney fees of the defendants attorney.
Wordsofwit

Oct 27 @ 8:56PM  
^^This man^^ makes a great deal of sense. Let me add that if a case is valid and drug manufacturers, hospital corporations, and insurance companies drag it out to burn out the hard pressed aggrieved victim over time, that these standards also apply. There are abusive practices and exploitation in both sides of litigation.
kattoes

Oct 29 @ 2:19AM  
I am afraid I have witnessed what Wit has stated...
Blue +, waiting and eventually losing out a case of autologous bone marrow donation as experimental...
When they had invested in it in the market as a way to increase their $$...
But the patient... died...and they ended up losing the case...so they won... lost a little and won more with their investment..
JustAnAvatar

Oct 29 @ 7:18AM  
All of our allies - England, France, Germany, Italy, Denmark, Netherlands, Norway, Canada, etc. etc. - provide their citizens with health care. Their costs per person are lower, and their life expectancy and infant mortality is better.

On the other hand, we have the highest costs in the world and rank lower in life expectancy and infant mortality.

Call it socialism if you want, but they're doing something right. I have health insurance, but I'd gladly give it up and pay the taxes it would take to replicate the governement run system used by the rest of the developed world.

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Let's come up with ideas of our own for healthcare reform pt 2