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This is an auto built by Turkish students that uses about a liter of hydrogen fuel to get about 336 MPG! A liter is equivalent to 1.05 quarts- a tad over a quart!

The auto is on the small size but if you scaled it up to 2 to 3 times its size, it might roughly take a little over a ½ gallon to ¾ of a gallon for roughly the same results- less than a gallon. Still a bargain!

There is a video from design concept to running a test outside, in this article!

Unfortunately, the article doesn't give specific specs or the type of power plant- yet!

For those who are interested, I'd be interested in seeing your comments!

Student built Hydrogen car- car of the future? Hopefully!


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NightOfOld

Jul 14 @ 9:05PM  

That is a nice looking car too. But at 240 pounds, at 75 miles an hour, you couldn't keep it on the ground.
somnium

Jul 14 @ 9:41PM  

That is a nice looking car too. But at 240 pounds, at 75 miles an hour, you couldn't keep it on the ground.


As it stands but it's a prototype with engineering changes to follow I'm sure! For instance, to combat lifting, aerodynamic components can be utilized to produce downforce. Also, ironically, more weight could be engineered into the auto!

But I like the concept- always was a proponent for using hydrogen for alternative energy use!

shewolf53

Jul 14 @ 9:48PM  
Hopefully some of the big companies are keeping their eye on this. It woul solve a lot of problems.
Sunshine79

Jul 14 @ 9:56PM  
Anything that gets 336MPG is awesome!
max49

Jul 14 @ 10:13PM  
That's pretty damn cool. Now if they could get the price down a little from that $170,000 price tag. Ahh remember back in the good old days of the 60's how 4 guys could pick a VW up and carry it off...not that I helped in that or nufin. VW's weighed in at a little more than 240 pounds I would imagine.
evild614

Jul 15 @ 12:06AM  
I get the appeal of 336MPG for gas-powered cars, but why would someone want a car so impractical to save hydrogen?
Dione

Jul 15 @ 12:33AM  
The primary reason I think it will be a long time before we have a large number of hydrogen powered vehicles on the roadways is due to lack of the infrastructure to support it. Service stations and storage facilities will need to be created to offer the fuel. It's a much more complicated scenario that just re-tooling existing fueling or storage facilities.

If we can convince the general public to use hydrogen in place of electricity we can convert to alternate energy sources such as solar and wind while tying it to hydrogen power. Once that's achieved the infratstructure mentioned above will be developed at a much faster pace. Thus, a major part of the answer lies in developing a viable solution to the nation's overburdened power grid.

Read more about it here:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2003/09/0909_030909_fuelcell_2.html
Dione

Jul 15 @ 12:35AM  
Sorry for the confusing comment... I'm just getting into this and obviously do not have the greatest grasp on it yet, but the fundamentals make sense to me even if I can't articulate it very well.
somnium

Jul 15 @ 12:58AM  

evild614 If I understand your question correctly, the idea is not to save hydrogen- the idea is to use hydrogen as a fuel to power the auto! Hydrogen is the most abundant element in the Universe [current thinking anyway] and on Earth! Our planet is 3/4 covered with water! Each water molecule is 2 parts hydrogen and 1 part oxygen- hence: H2O! We're not going to run out of hydrogen too soon!

evild614

Jul 15 @ 1:04AM  
I know. I was awake that day in 3rd-grade science class! That's why I asked the question:
why would someone want a car so impractical to save hydrogen?

Why not make a normal-sized car that seats 5 and holds luggage and goes freeway speeds, with a bigger hydrogen-powered fuel cell? Honda already makes one, and L.A. is already starting to build themselves a little hydrogen mini-infrastructure.
somnium

Jul 15 @ 1:13AM  
Dione I do understand you're comment on an infrastructure for using hydrogen! I figure if it becomes practical, the interest and money will follow! This is something that should have been considered in the '70s when the 'oil embargo' was in place- but our illustrious leaders did nothing! Oil is still 'cheap' enough right now, that to the backward thinking of our government: 'what's the rush?- which is one reason we're in the energy problems we'll having! We are sitting on more natural gas then any other country so I hear- yet- Unky Sam does nothing! Anyway, getting .

But you're right, infrastructure is a problem but so was gasoline in its infancy!

somnium

Jul 15 @ 1:25AM  
Why not make a normal-sized car that seats 5 and holds luggage and goes freeway speeds, with a bigger hydrogen-powered fuel cell? Honda already makes one, and L.A. is already starting to build themselves a little hydrogen mini-infrastructure.

Like I said, this is a prototype and it's just a matter of scaling it up! Fuel cells can work but still requires hydrogen and oxygen to work for that type of fuel cell! The Apollo Space program used two of them for electrical power... way back then but they carried their own hydrogen/oxygen supplies with them!

Using hydrogen and natural gas for energy sources, I would think, should get us off this oil and ethanol from corn kick we're on or very close to it! JMO



flavorbuster

Jul 15 @ 4:45AM  
That is a nice looking car too. But at 240 pounds, at 75 miles an hour, you couldn't keep it on the ground.
Just add wings
40DWM

Jul 15 @ 8:52AM  
Most of the people I know, are WAY TOO much snobs to have anything
in the 'sub compact' category.
The mind set of many around here, is "If I get in a wreck, I want the most
steel around me, so the 'other' guy dies, not me".

Just did a +1900 mile trip in my '95 Saturn, and it averaged 40 mpg.
My Geo Metro gets better, but it's mostly for short trips and commuting...
And lets me laugh at those money-pit Hybrids.

I'd buy almost anything within reason, that would get even half that MPG,
as long as it did not cost an arm and a leg. What good is an economy car
that costs over $20,000?

Wonder how long the oil companies will let these Students, live.
somnium

Jul 15 @ 10:26AM  
Well 40DWM like I said, it's a prototype and when further refinded, it can be scaled up to a practical size, people would be interested in and still get great mileage! Good engineering and innovating practices, is the key to the energy problems we face right now! And when a practical vehicle, that people will buy, is created, would no doubt go into mass production and reduce the price, just like any other product experiences!

Dione

Jul 15 @ 1:56PM  
I do understand you're comment on an infrastructure for using hydrogen! I figure if it becomes practical, the interest and money will follow!
That is why I said:
... a major part of the answer lies in developing a viable solution to the nation's overburdened power grid.
When it's realized hydrogen is not only plentiful, can be made safe AND is used to replaced electricity it will be embraced! If hydrogen is used in place of electricity with power cells utilized as back-up we will not have brown-outs or black-outs or a shortage of energy of any kind.

If you consider the loss of time and money when a blackout occurs within the business world alone, you will find the difference between power outages of hours to days (driven by electrical power) in comparison to outages of a few seconds before power is restored (driven by hydrogen power), it becomes a no brainer. When the power grid is replaced to accommodate hydrogen power that is when it's true value, savings and importance will occur. The development of the infrastructure to maintain this will take off exponentially.

As with any new system, we've seen it with oil, it takes time. However, NOW is the time to seriously begin.

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