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  StraddleMyNose

Should the government regulate the tobacco companies, or should they stay the hell out of their business? I'm not a smoker, and I do believe in most smoking bans in public places. But I also feel that the government shouldn't regulate the tobacco industry. Obama is willing and ready to sign the bill that's been approved by the House to regulate them. He's trying to run the tobacco companies out of business. Now, my next question is, when the tax revenue stops coming in from the tobacco industry, where is the government going to turn to pick up the difference? That's right... US TAXPAYERS!

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visualone209

Jun 12 @ 1:37PM  
I am not, nor have I ever been a smoker, but regulating cigarettes is so stupid and self defeating. Many may see this as a big step in outlawing cigarettes. Not really. They will never ban them outright unless the anti smoking enviromentalist become more powerful than they already are. Why. Taxes. This is a way to add more taxes to tobacco and yet at the same time the tobacco industry has been subsidized by the government for decades! So they pump money into it and gain tons of taxes out of it.
The next thing will be fast foods and snacks and foods deemed as bad nutrition by a "food czar." Let's see we now have a car czar, a banking czar, a salary czar, a job czar, and now they are looking for a medical czar to go with their socialized medicine. You guys will love that! They have already said they don't want a medical or pharmaceuticl person for this job since it would be a conflict of interest issue. The car czar has already admitted that he knows nothing about cars. But I digress.
Laura
Ewe_Wish

Jun 12 @ 1:38PM  
Ok i will admit I am out of my depth on this one.....but why would Obama want to put them out of business and lose more jobs than there is now? I am not saying that he isn't but I am wondering what rationale is behind this.

I don't have a problem with the no smoking ban in most places, but there was a lot of small bar business owners that went out of business because people couldn't set in bars and smoke.....of course the cost of a DUI probably has influence on them staying home and drinking.

I think to try to get ppl to stop smoking is in all purposes pretty damn foolish. Its a person's choice whether they smoke or not, and although its probably the most addictive drug out there, it still should be a personal choice. As for the tax dollars, they might as well keep selling them and making the tax dollars off them, because like prohibition, it won't work to just make them illegal and all they will end up doing is cutting off their nose to spite their face.
Wordsofwit

Jun 12 @ 1:39PM  
There has been a steady march against tobacco for decades beginning with the ban on cigarette advertising on TV and radio on into warning labels. Of course, beyond taxation, the thrust has been to regulate tobacco, especially its use, at the state and local levels. For example, you cannot some in a restaurant anywhere in California or anywhere in Dallas, Texas. Suburbs of Dallas that allow smoking in restaurants have reaped a windfall in sales tax revenues.

That being said, I feel very secure in saying that a bill of this sort being passed is no surprise whatsoever regardless of who the president is. So what I personally think doesn't matter.

Ironically, Obama is a cigarette smoker that is trying to quit. Neither Bushes or Carter smoked. Clinton smoked cigars, and Ford smoked a pipe. Not sure about Reagan.
visualone209

Jun 12 @ 1:58PM  
Words of Wit is correct, this has nothing to do with Obama even though this drive to regulate tobacco has be on the march for many years and started by liberal anti smoking groups with the help of the ACLU By regulating they were able to allow for law suits the lawyers became wealthy on and cost the taxpayers billions. Like any liberal law control of others is the goal so it continues to move forward. Again an example of limited thinking by the socialists. They do not take into consideration the consequences of many of their desires to control and tobacco is a perfect example.

Ewe-Wish is also correct, they are cutting off their nose despite their face on one hand and collecting tax dollars with the other hand. And all the while paying the tobacco industry to make more cigarettes.

The only thing Obama has directly connected to this is he is a smoker. He says he is trying to quit. Is he really? He has the best medical care and all the resources to kick a habit except one. With breaking any bad habit or addiction, and tobacco is most definitely an addiction, one must take the first step of wanting to do it. I believe and it is just my opinion that he has no desire to stop, it just looked bad while campaigning as it showed some of the hypocrisy of the socialists.

BTW Reagan was a non smoker also. Since California's ban against smoking in public other states have adopted this also. I know here there was a giant push to get it here by the same people who pushed in California. It has cost many jobs and small businesses. Now they are working on banning smoking outdoors or in your home if you live in multi-family housing. Hmmm. Would it be fair to say there are more "little people" as they call them living in apartments. More lower income people smoke according to the CDC and tobacco industries.
Laura
flavorbuster

Jun 12 @ 2:00PM  
I agree with the smoking ban in restaurants but at a bar is pushing the issue a bit too much.
StraddleMyNose

Jun 12 @ 2:01PM  
The only thing Obama has directly connected to this is he is a smoker.
Well, that and the fact that he's really looking forward to signing this bill.
Dione

Jun 12 @ 2:08PM  
Normally I remain quiet when it comes to politics, but it's time to speak up whether anyone agrees or not..

PLEASE wake-up! This isn't about the selling, purchase or use of tobacco. Although the government takes advantage and aides and abets this line of thinking because it acts as a distraction to what the government is really doing.

We are on-track to overt socialism, but the real issue is the embrace of Marxist thinking under the guise of equality. Socialism does not work nor does Communiism, but we are well on our way to becoming such a country.

We have allowed our freedoms to be eroded to such a point it's ridiculous. Visual one is on the right track... czar this and czar that! Bail outs and government control is not the answer. We have lost so many free thinkers, innovators and enterprising people due to the dumbing down of America, making the playing field even and allowing non-experts to be in charge of major businesses/industries they know nothing about. Our system of free enterprise is in the toilet!

Competition has become worse that a nasty word. Discomfort in any way is bowed down to like it's the Holy Grail. Wealth is considered the demon of all demons. "We must ALL be the same" seems to be the mantra. All too soon we will be reaping the benefits of being poor without any impetus to rise from the muck and mire we have allowed to be created in the holy name of equality.
StraddleMyNose

Jun 12 @ 2:12PM  
We are on-track to overt socialism, but the real issue is the embrace of Marxist thinking under the guise of equality. Socialism does not work nor does Communiism

You got that right!
Wordsofwit

Jun 12 @ 2:32PM  
Like any liberal law control of others is the goal so it continues to move forward. Again an example of limited thinking by the socialists.

Beyond the usual insidious offensive labels, the facts as V1 presents them are true, in and of themselves. However there are some significant truths that are omitted.

I doubt anybody will argue that there are, and always have been, very powerful special interest groups and lobbyists influencing the political process at all levels of government. Many of these are good organizations that also have a political action committees (PACs).

In this case, the push against tobacco also included powerful groups and other similar ones. These include the American Medical Association, the American Cancer Society, health insurance companies, and religious organizations.
paulywalnuts

Jun 12 @ 2:46PM  
Ditto's to Dione
slohand_47

Jun 12 @ 2:50PM  
Lets see...... ban tobacco use.

How'd that work for alcohol??? Actually, I'm not sure what form this "regulation" is going to take. I didn't read the article.

Illinois is a state that has banned smoking in public places. Business screamed that they would lose business. Restaurants and bars are just as busy as they ever were. Except now you can breathe and see across the room. Smokers duck outside for 2 min and then back inside. No problem.

Me personally.... never smoked so does not impact me directly. What I'd like to see is an end to lawsuits. It is time for people to take responsibility for their actions. Smoking, drinking, driving....... it is nobody's fault when you F**K up.
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theSkwirl

Jun 12 @ 3:13PM  
NO!
featherone

Jun 12 @ 3:32PM  
will this make the taxes on cigg go down?
Wordsofwit

Jun 12 @ 3:35PM  
Obama is willing and ready to sign the bill that's been approved by the House to regulate them.

I haven't seen an article summarizing the bill from any source. But I would love to. Can anyone provide a link to some coverage on it from a major source like Fox News, CNN, etc. Thanks in advance.
StraddleMyNose

Jun 12 @ 3:46PM  
Bruce, I heard it on Fox News radio with they're updated news briefs at the top and bottom of every hour.
somnium

Jun 12 @ 3:57PM  
I've said it before and I'll say it again- the speech that George Bush Sr. gave, that included the term: "New World Order" was a wake up call to me! I picked up on that immediately, as to what the implications were and days after, no one that I talked to, brought it up as a topic! That concerned me, right there!

This mad, mad, dogged rush towards socialism, is, unfortunately, apparently going to happen anyway, unless a ground-swell of our citizens finally see the light and put a stop to it! Will that happen- dunno! The average person isn't alarmed enough yet- Obama, apparently has a knack for circumventing any fears that may arise, regarding the socialism drive he's pushing! He seems to come across as some kind of 'messiah' if you will, to the masses, promising a better life ahead while, in the background, destroying our way of life, the "evils of capitalism" in their minds, step-by-step!

He has a charismatic appeal to the masses who seem to be mesmerized like a deer caught in a set of headlights and either are so blindly enamored with his teleprompter guided Harvard speeches, that they can't or refuse to see the forest for the trees! The people who voted for change? They're getting it, only, they don't realize what they're getting for their money..........YET!

The UK has now gone full circle with their socialism mistake as I understand it and are in the process of correcting that! Socialism is, by its very nature, a futile exercise in failure! If nothing else and we are forced into socialism by Obama's regime, there is a ray of hope that we'll copy the UK's realisation that it can't work and we ourselves, will copy the UK's actions.

What really bothers me, are the facts that socialism can't work, has been shown it can't work, yet these imbeciles in office, continue to forge ahead- which leads me to wonder, what other insidious plan(s) plans do they have in mind? Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing! I do believe we will one day find out what a truly, demented, diabolical radical, this guy really is! I just hope it won't be too late!

JMO

Ewe_Wish

Jun 12 @ 4:39PM  
Obama is a wolf in sheep's clothing
Stop right there.........that's not a nice thing to say..........afterall you seem to admire the outfit I have on in my profile pic..............
Wordsofwit

Jun 12 @ 4:40PM  
Here is a report From Fox News on this bill. I really had to drill down to find it considering more important things like a kid in Germany getting grazed by a meteorite.

It is quite interesting. Shawn has a fact wrong as it has not only been passed by the house but by the senate as well in landslide votes going far beyond the democratic majority in both houses. The Fox report does not say when the measure(s) go into effect. Below are some excepts from the Fox report:

"...the president congratulated Congress for passing tough new regulations that puts tobacco under control of the Food and Drug Administration for the first time."

"The House of Representatives passed the sweeping measure 307-97 moments before the president spoke. The Senate approved the legislation Thursday night 79-17."

"The bill aims to could curb the roughly 400,000 deaths a year attributed to smoking. It would allow the FDA to reduce how much nicotine is in cigarettes. It would also ban most cigarettes flavoring, excluding menthol."

"The legislation also enables the government to dictate how tobacco firms can advertise their product. Store displays can only be printed in black and white. They'll be prohibited from using phrases like "low tar" and "light" to describe their cigarettes."

"The bill prohibits the FDA from banning smoking."
StraddleMyNose

Jun 12 @ 4:47PM  
Shawn has a fact wrong as it has not only been passed by the house but by the senate
Bruce, I didn't get this part wrong either. At the time of hearing this, Fox News had only reported on the House votes, not the Senate votes.

307-97
Yeah, I remember hearing the number of votes it passed by.
evild614

Jun 12 @ 4:51PM  
with the help of the ACLU

American Civil Liberties Union? They have nothing to do with cigarette control. They're the opposite. They actually fought against requirements for bigger warning labels on packs of cigarettes. There are actually anti-smoking groups here and here that have bashed them in the past for their libertarian stance on smoking.
Wordsofwit

Jun 12 @ 5:00PM  
Bruce, I didn't get this part wrong either. At the time of hearing this, Fox News had only reported on the House votes, not the Senate votes.

Huh? Yeah they did, Fox News (and others) reported the senate vote last night. The house vote was this morning. I'll spare the emoticon laughing when nothing is funny.
Ewe_Wish

Jun 12 @ 5:04PM  
Thanks Bruce... I appreciate you posting that

"The bill prohibits the FDA from banning smoking."
so if they can't ban smoking, how would this put the tobacco growers out of business?

The bill aims to could curb the roughly 400,000 deaths a year attributed to smoking. It would allow the FDA to reduce how much nicotine is in cigarettes. It would also ban most cigarettes flavoring, excluding menthol."
And this is a bad thing How? I am sorry but I don't see how this can and will affect anyone including me who does smoke. I think its in everyone's interest to get this Country in a more healthier state..........we are a nation of obese people, suffering from diabetes, COPD, and all other kinds of ailments that are straight from the lifestyle we have chosen. When we choose to be unhealthy, and yes when we set there smoking on a cigerette shoving a big mac in our face, we are choosing to be unhealthy, we are just saying hey I don't care if medical care is expensive, I am going to do what I please.

I'm sorry but I don't see a problem with this unless there is a bunch of hidden crap that hasn't come to light. I don't see anyone saying we can't smoke, they are just saying we will be doing it with less tar in our systems. And for that my lungs say thank you.



Disclaimer: I hate to do disclaimers but somewhere in my comment i am sure I have offended someone.......Not all illnesses are caused by our own self indulgences, obesity is a problem in our nation but its not just due to lazy over eaters.......there are a lot of medical reasons for it. I apologize if i have offended anyone.
StraddleMyNose

Jun 12 @ 5:14PM  
h? Yeah they did, Fox News (and others) reported the senate vote last night. The house vote was this morning. I'll spare the emoticon laughing when nothing is funny.
Only heard them give the House votes from this morning when they gave the quick update. To be honest, I really had no idea the Senate voted on this last night. I only reported with what I heard today on the radio. I also stated that Obama was ready and willing to sign the bill. I didn't have all the facts, but that's not the same as getting the facts wrong.
somnium

Jun 12 @ 5:20PM  
afterall you seem to admire the outfit I have on in my profile pic..............
Yes I do but it's time to shave some wool off now, isn't it?

Ewe_Wish

Jun 12 @ 5:25PM  
Yes I do but it's time to shave some wool off now, isn't it
It's going to take a lot more than a sweet talking man to get me out of the wool.......
somnium

Jun 12 @ 7:24PM  
It's going to take a lot more than a sweet talking man to get me out of the wool.......
Ok... Ok- I'll bring the shaver uhhhhh the shears and some oil so, it doesn't itch when I'm done! I DO need a new sweater and a fur lined jock, for when it gets cold out!

sugarnspice005

Jun 12 @ 7:44PM  
I don't know the full details of the bill just yet. As far as the FDA regulating tobacco, I agree with it. The nicotine in cigarettes has been proven to be addictive, and I've heard some call it a "drug"...so, makes sense that this would happen.

As for taxes, the government will find ways to get their taxes. I've always told my sisters next thing we will hear is that we're being taxed for breathing.
Ewe_Wish

Jun 12 @ 7:56PM  
fur lined jock,
Hell on any given day I shed enough for that............



J/K
somnium

Jun 12 @ 11:37PM  
Hell on any given day I shed enough for that............

Hmmmmm... Ok, sounds good to me- long as its warm!

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Should the U.S. Government regulate the tabacco companies?