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  StraddleMyNose

This spending bill passed both the house and the senate, and was ready for Obama's signing as of Friday night. If this spending bill (dems call it a stimulus bill) couldn't have waited another day Obama stated last week, then why did he take a 3-4 day vacation to Chicago where he took his wife out to dine on Valentines Day, and didn't leave Chicago till yesterday (or was it today ) to fly to Denver to sign this huge mistake? I swear, how many vacations has this guy taken since he became president? As for carbon footprint, he preaches about responsibility with the environment, and yet he jets off to the Super Bowl, Hawaii, Chicago, and Denver, and he's only been in there for less than a month. I still hear very few people saying give him a chance. For what, to continue screwing up the economy with this Socialism shit? Sorry, but once it's set in motion and given the next four years of this crap, it will be years and years before anyone of us can undo this.

My question for you all who did not support this two weeks ago when I asked this is, did you change your mind in wanting this 787 billion spending bill to pass?

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girlcountry

Feb 17 @ 6:12PM  
Nope....sure didn't!!
MUDSHARK450

Feb 17 @ 6:20PM  
How much inflation will this continued and expanding deficit spending cause in the coming years> How much of the savings of the middle class will be destroyed. How much will our children pay for our generations's mistakes. What will interest rates be in two years when the Fed is contonted by stagnation and inflation. Jimmy Carter anyone.
bandengor

Feb 17 @ 6:38PM  
very bad idea.

I I just don't see how this is going to work without him eventually spending us into oblivion.
Wordsofwit

Feb 17 @ 6:48PM  
Most of it I like, some parts I am neutral on, and others I think are are funds best appropriated in other ways.

Socialist...that sounds like the rhetoric that the Herbert Hoover fans said about the New Deal.

People need jobs. If they work; they pay taxes, they can pay bills, keep their home and contribute to economy.

One thing this package will do is jump start highway construction. In states like mine that have seen considerable growth, that will be a big improvement as road and bridge repair has been on the back burner for years due to funding.

One thing I don't like is tax credits for insulating homes and buying energy efficient appliances. That only benefits some home owners, it does nothing for renters. Plus most major appliances are manufactured outside of the US and the ones that qualify for the credits are too expensive for people of modest means.

As the whether this works and if so, to what extent, will take a while to see. It will be six months before results can be tracked. If people are working, we'll know it.

The other side of the coin is much simpler and clear, we can certainly look back over the last two years and see what didn't work.
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Feb 17 @ 6:57PM  
One thing this package will do is jump start highway construction.

Won't this take about three years for this? And where else in the bill is it suppose to create jobs? Most of what I see is tax and spend in it.
Wordsofwit

Feb 17 @ 7:46PM  
Here is a map with the number of jobs projected to be created in each state. You can run your mouse over a state for the number. You can also click on the unemployment rate and the map changes to that data.

Won't this take about three years for this?

No, most states have these projects all lined out already. They have been for years but funding has left them on the back burner. They should be able to ramp up quickly. Now as to how long it takes to get a road done, that takes years, but that is cool as the people working on it will be working for years.

And where else in the bill is it suppose to create jobs?

I am sure we will find out. The thing is like 11,000 pages


Sunshine79

Feb 17 @ 8:05PM  
I'm just stopping by to make my presence known. I don't do political blogs.
But, HELLO!!
40DWM

Feb 17 @ 8:17PM  
HELLO...... in MY state.... Not so much the one Bruce is in......

It will pay plenty of Mexican Nationals, $$ to send back to Mexico.

Thank you socialisim.
Wordsofwit

Feb 17 @ 9:11PM  
This is coincidental. I just got this email from the president. There is a link in it that shows where the money goes. Another thing I would like to say is that this bill has been passed, it is no longer a debate, it is reality. Consequently, bitching and moaning is nothing more than pissing in the wind.

But I do feel we need to understand how this thing is supposed to work and how it is working. It is supposed to be steadily updated so you can see what your tax dollars are doing for you. We'll see. The Web site link has a a lot of links within it and it is quite robust.

Bruce --

Today, I signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act into law.

This is a historic step -- the first of many as we work together to climb out of this crisis -- and I want to thank you for your resolve and your support.

You organized thousands of house meetings. You shared your ideas and personal stories. And you informed your friends and neighbors about the need for immediate action. You continue to be a powerful voice for change throughout the country.

The recovery plan will create or save 3.5 million jobs, provide tax cuts for working and middle-class families, and invest in health care and clean energy.

It's a bold plan to address a huge problem, and it will require my vigilance and yours to make sure it's done right.

I've assigned a team of managers to oversee the implementation of the recovery act. We are committed to making sure no dollar is wasted. But accountability begins with you.

That's why my administration has created Recovery.gov, a new website where citizens can track every dollar spent and every job created. We'll invite you and your neighbors to weigh in with comments and questions.

Our progress will also be measured by the tens of thousands of personal stories submitted by people who are struggling to make ends meet. If you haven't already, you can read stories from families all across the country:

http://my.barackobama.com/yourstories

Your stories are the heart of this recovery plan, and that's what I'll focus on every day as President.

With your continued support, we'll emerge a stronger and more prosperous nation.

Thank you,

President Barack Obama

StraddleMyNose

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Feb 17 @ 9:56PM  
I just got this email from the president.

Did ya get a tingle up your leg?
evild614

Feb 17 @ 10:47PM  
I didn't hear anyone calling it socialism when Bush passed his economic stimulus package. But for the record, I think they were both stupid, Bush's and Obama's.
Wordsofwit

Feb 17 @ 10:58PM  
I just got this email from the president.

Did ya get a tingle up your leg?

I am not going to call the President of the United States a spammer. He only sent this email to 50,000,000 closest friends.
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 17 @ 11:02PM  
I didn't hear anyone calling it socialism when Bush passed his economic stimulus package. But for the record, I think they were both stupid, Bush's and Obama's

Ya sure you didn't hear anyone calling the bailout for the banks that Paulson (Paulson convinced Bush to sign on to it) was pushing Socialism? That's what I called it late last year....that's what I heard others call it as well. Both of these are socialism as far as I'm concerned.
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 17 @ 11:17PM  
He only sent this email to 50,000,000 closest friends.

Obama, friends? Ayers, Wright, Ayer's wife, the ACORN bunch, Oprah, Matthews, Obermann, and the rest of the MSNBC news staff??? Sure ya want to be associated with a colorful group of friends?

lunanegra

Feb 17 @ 11:56PM  
why did he take a 3-4 day vacation to Chicago where he took his wife out to dine on Valentines Day

What? Man can't get his "swerve on"? Although leader of the free world,he's still a man with a wife afterall.
Wordsofwit

Feb 18 @ 12:08AM  
Sure ya want to be associated with a colorful group of friends?

You pose a good question. Actually, the question is whether they want to be associated with me. But if we are aligned, it beats the hell out of being associated with the likes of George W. Bush, Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter, Bill O'Reilly, Warren Harding, and Herbert Hoover.
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 18 @ 12:12AM  
Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Ann Coulter,

I think it would be pretty cool to be associated with these three...

Now, that Ann Coulter is pretty HOT and very intelligent!
selectusername

Feb 18 @ 1:44AM  
I will give him my full support and loyalty if he buys me a gold membership so

I can look at the nudie pics!!
lunanegra

Feb 18 @ 3:00AM  
Now, that Ann Coulter is pretty HOT and very intelligent!

If by "intelligent",you mean cunning and able to manipulate people into believing the bile she spews,then yes-- she is "intelligent." Looks-wise,I don't want to look at her for fear of being turned into stone.
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 18 @ 3:08AM  
Now now, Luna, be nice...

She may have a big mouth, and may be a tad extreme in a few of her beliefs, but for the most part, I agree with a lot of those opinions she holds.

Looks-wise,I don't want to look at her for fear of being turned into stone.

C'mon now, she's not Mudusa. She really is on the attractive side.
LilGriz

Feb 18 @ 8:25AM  
Hmmmm, lets see now....8 years ago we had a sudget surplus, now, even before Obama started, we have a huge deficit. This country was run by banks and big business for the past 8 years. Look at how the credit card companies were able to pass rules for unprecidented intrest rate hikes that the people didn't want, but the banks did. Now because of the economy, the companies are raising rates again.

Companies were given tax breaks for shipping jobs over seas, giving jobs to others and not caring about what it would do at home.......shareholder profits were more important than their workers. Now many people are without jobs, since someone else is doing it in another country, so they have a harder time paying their mortgage or spending money in stores, so companies lay off more people, so there are less to buy their product, so more layoffs......Simple economics 101.

Until companies start hiring here in the U.S., this mess will just get worse. Of course, its the ones at the top that make the decisions, and since they are so insulated from the common person, they don't really care, as the profit is more important.

If you did a survey, employee owned businesses / co-ops are doing well - figure out a way to keep going as you don't want to have to let go a co-owner.
Wordsofwit

Feb 18 @ 8:41AM  
What he ^^^^ says!!
dmbchick420

Feb 18 @ 9:02AM  
Well....I haven't really been paying too much attention to this stimulus stuff lately. I'm sick of hearing about it that it makes my head spin.

Socialism? I don't think it is. I support Obama's decisions 100%....I voted for the guy!

Like Obama said, the policies of the last 8 years have failed and he either does nothing about the economy and/or does the same thing that the Bush administration was doing, which obviously did not work and America does not expect him to do nothing, OR this bill gets passed and the government gives out this money to help get the economy going again. This needs to happen or we are going to go further down into the toilet.

So....which of the lesser of two evils do you want?
casuallylooking

Feb 18 @ 10:40AM  

The old ways weren't working. The system being used for the last 8 years was broken and now so are many American people who have poured their sweat and lives into building this country. Other countries are now reaping their/our benefits.
We were going further and further into debt with no hope of light at the end of the tunnel. This way there is at least a light. And hope.

Simple economics 101.
Exactly. Sometimes you have to go back to basics and start all over from scratch. With American jobs kept in America.

I support President Obama and believe he's trying to lead this country in the right direction. Back up instead of in the unemployment lines.
Yes, he's been in office less than a month....and he's put that time to good use trying to boost our economy and save this country. And he still found time to spend with his wife and children. Kudos to him.

Sorry, but once it's set in motion and given the next four years of this crap, it will be years and years before anyone of us can undo this.
Undo what? We are already in a postion where no one may be able to undo the crap that has been done in the last few years. Eight years to be more precise.




StraddleMyNose

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Feb 18 @ 11:11AM  
Well, I was wonder when more of the Obama supporters would come out and post comments.

Undo what? We are already in a postion where no one may be able to undo the crap that has been done in the last few years. Eight years to be more precise.

Doing nothing and letting the economy fix itself was a better option than passing this spending bill.

Socialism? I don't think it is

You're kidding, right? You wrote this with a straight face did ya? lol

Oh, a lot of it is socialism. The healthcare in it, the caping of bonuses of CEO's that's taken the first round of money from the government, the government spending billions on welfare where they want the states to start recruiting more people on the welfare rolls, having congress and the senate start implementing business changes at other companies such as Chrysler and GMC....
Wordsofwit

Feb 18 @ 11:39AM  
Well, I was wonder when more of the Obama supporters would come out and post comments.

Undo what? We are already in a postion where no one may be able to undo the crap that has been done in the last few years. Eight years to be more precise.

Doing nothing and letting the economy fix itself was a better option than passing this spending bill.

Socialism? I don't think it is

You're kidding, right? You wrote this with a straight face did ya? lol

Oh, a lot of it is socialism. The healthcare in it, the caping of bonuses of CEO's that's taken the first round of money from the government, the government spending billions on welfare where they want the states to start recruiting more people on the welfare rolls, having congress and the senate start implementing business changes at other companies such as Chrysler and GMC....

I am only keyboarding at about 5 WPM at the moment. Uncontrollable laughter will do that to a person.
casuallylooking

Feb 18 @ 12:25PM  
I was wonder when more of the Obama supporters would come out and post comments.

Although Griz is at work and can't post his own comment..( on phone with him) He says that sometimes you don't have to be a supporter of someone to see the good in what they are trying to do.
Especially when he is one of those who just took a major paycut to keep his job. More fortunate than a lot of people because he still has a job, but still a massive financial burden to try and deal with.

Doing nothing and letting the economy fix itself was a better option than passing this spending bill.
Fix itself??? Shawn, I'd laugh at that if I didn't think you were serious and honestly believed that.

Wouldn't that be about the same as someone being on a sinking ship and instead of reaching for a life preserver, just sitting there thinking eventually the water would stop coming in and dry up on its own and they would be okay?

My point is Yes, there are companies doing things wrong and they need to fix them.but shutting them down isn't the answer. How many others would be in those welfare lines then? How many empty houses and starving children with no health care? There were way too many bonuses being given out in Wall Street America and I don't feel any of them should have gotten Any bonuses...Be thankful that after they ran a company into the ground that they still even have a job..why the hell do they get thousands of dollars as a bonus for doing a job that they should have been doing right to begin with when they got hired to do the job...

But someone needed to inflate that life preserver and start saving Main Street America peoples jobs and homes. Essentially, their lives.

If I ever wondered before why they say never discuss politics or religion, I've sure learned that lesson now.

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Feb 18 @ 12:36PM  
Fix itself??? Shawn, I'd laugh at that if I didn't think you were serious and honestly believed that

And you seem to think big government is the answer to this. That right there is laughable. Government is not the solution, it's the problem. Spending us more and more into debt is not the way to go about this. Oh yes, throw money at the problem and it will fix itself is what liberals always think. Waste of money that future generations will never benefit from. Seems like you have blinders on where Obama is concerned. You'll see in the next 4 years how bad this spending bill was to the American people.
dmbchick420

Feb 18 @ 1:09PM  
You're kidding, right? You wrote this with a straight face did ya? lol

Yep.

casuallylooking

Feb 18 @ 1:09PM  
is what liberals always think.
Me...a liberal?? Not even close.........
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 18 @ 1:20PM  
Me...a liberal?? Not even close.........

Some people don't like labels, and you're probably one of those that don't. I know one thing to be a fact. I'm a conservative republican, and I know most of us conservatives don't agree with this spending bill. I also know that we see things totally different in the political world. We're just going to have to agree to disagree with each other, Treas.
Xien607

Feb 18 @ 2:02PM  
We're just going to have to agree to disagree with each other

So so true.

Sean, do you really think this is going to last 4 years? I give it one year before everything will collaspe. (If that long)

The President just announced his new mortgage plan. If people could only understand what it really means.

The CEO of one of the large banks that was forced to take the federal money just came out and announced the truth in regards to the money.

Barney Frank now having his hands in the Pentagon? Won't this be interesting.

I think I could write an 1100 page thesis on this subject :)

Great Blog from another Conservative Republican that believes in living in a Free Country and not Socialism!
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 18 @ 3:07PM  
Sean, do you really think this is going to last 4 years? I give it one year before everything will collaspe.

No, Xien, I don't think it'll take up to 4 years for this to happen. I was feeling a little generous when I stated this. I agree with you, it's going to happen a lot sooner with a collaspe.

Great Blog from another Conservative Republican that believes in living in a Free Country and not Socialism!

Thank you!
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Feb 19 @ 1:38AM  


Three contractors are bidding to fix a broken fence at the White House. One is from Chicago, another is from Tennessee, and the third is from Minnesota.
All three go with a White House official to examine the fence.

The Minnesota contractor takes out a tape measure and does some measuring, then works some figures with a pencil. "Well," he says, "I figure the job will run about $900: $400 for materials, $400 for my crew and $100 profit for me."
The Tennessee contractor also does some measuring and figuring, then says, "I can do this job for $700: $300 for materials, $300 for my crew and $100 profit for me."
The Chicago contractor doesn't measure or figure, but leans over to the White House official and whispers, "$2,700."
The official, incredulous, says, "You didn't even measure like the other guys! How did you come up with such a high figure?"
The Chicago contractor whispers back, "$1000 for me, $1000 for you, and we hire the guy from Tennessee to fix the fence."
"Done!" replies the government official.
And that, my friends, is how the new stimulus plan will work.



testoserone

Feb 19 @ 11:15PM  
Welcome to the Bush economy! repubican'ts are powerless now........shut the fuck up and crawl back in your hole like gw did
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 20 @ 12:00AM  
Welcome to the Bush economy!

Bush isn't the one that passed and signed this Socialist bill (aka "stimulus bill, aka spending bill). Ole' Barry can continue screwing up the economy and people like you will always bitch about it being Bush's fault no matter what!
testoserone

Feb 22 @ 7:40PM  
Why won't republicans/bush take resposibility for their failed policies? Until they do, voters will continue to reject them at the polling booth........just my opinion. Socialism? Is that the republicans new smear word to replace the word Liberal?? I heard Sarah Palin was going to run for president.........
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 22 @ 7:52PM  
Look at the stock market. It's reacting to Obama's plan and policies. They know it's a disaster. As for Palin running, she may, but my choice is Newt Gingrich.
testoserone

Feb 22 @ 8:53PM  
I personally wouldn't want to be president now.......bush was an absolute bizmal failure as a president. Has left major problems across the board. The stock market will probably go to 6000 before it gets any better. I predicted a crash a few years ago and took most all of my assets out of the stock market. And one of the bush policies that didnt pass was to do away with social security and let people invest in the stock market Newt gingrinch? Wasnt he the hypacrit having an affair at the same time he was impeaching clinton for getting a blowjob? What about gomer huckabee pile??
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 22 @ 9:06PM  
What about gomer huckabee pile??
I don't care for the guy.

As for Bush, he certainly wasn't a good president as far as economics go, but after 911, he did keep America safe. He was also too moderate for me. My favorite president was Reagan, a strong conservative president. I think Newt being a strong conservative republican would do a lot of great things for our country as president.
TwistAndShout

Feb 23 @ 6:24PM  
I never quite understand why people feel the need to inflict their political views on people in non-political social settings.

As I read through this blog and the comments that follow, basically I see Straddle expressing his view that he doesn't like the stimulus, then proceeding to denigrate the views of someone who disagrees with him ("you said that with a straight face").

And yeah, I know, I don't have to read it. Generally I don't. But when there are thousands of sites on the web designed for people to argue politics, I just wonder - why here? Why not find some political message board and do it there?

We get it, Straddle. You don't like Obama. You don't like the stimulus. No need to keep harping on it.
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Feb 23 @ 6:50PM  
Thanks for your comment, and keeping it clean, Twistandshout.

As I read through this blog and the comments that follow, basically I see Straddle expressing his view that he doesn't like the stimulus, then proceeding to denigrate the views of someone who disagrees with him ("you said that with a straight face").
I really don't think that I denigrated in my comment to my friend in my comment. It was meant as humor on my part when I said that, and I don't think she took it the way you stated (at least I hope she didn't). Some people disagree with each other on political views, and then it does turn into a debate. I do passionately debate others that I disagree with, and anyone that has different political views than me, and they feel the need to comment on my blogs they need to prepare to debate. Most everyone on here knows this. I do try to keep it clean and respectful, especially with friends. As for posting political views here, that sells, and people are interested in politics, well, most people are. People are free to post anything they desire as well, as long as it's not broadcasting what they're looking for, or posting their phone numbers, as well as emails.

Again, thanks for the comment!
TwistAndShout

Feb 23 @ 7:28PM  
As for posting political views here, that sells, and people are interested in politics, well, most people are.

Naw - sex sells. That's what AMD is selling, at any rate.

I like politics too, but I try not to ruin people's good times by pushing my political views in a social setting.

I noticed that the blog you posted on the mortgage package (appears to have been deleted now) ended with one member calling another a dick and saying "fuck you" and you telling another member to stop the name calling. Probably best if it was deleted but it would have been even better not to bring it up in the first place.

When you bring up politics or religion in places where it doesn't belong, people get overheated.
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Feb 23 @ 7:33PM  
I noticed that the blog you posted on the mortgage package (appears to have been deleted now)

As far as I know it hasn't been deleted. I don't plan on deleting that blog either.

You're right, sex sells. But I like to mix it up some. You're also right about people wanting to come on here to have fun. I'm one of those that do. But same old same old sex blogs can get a little too boring from time to time on here.
KinkedRed

Feb 25 @ 7:34PM  
I'm a little late on the bandwagon here now, but I figure some straightening out might help. The bill really isn't socialism because socialism implies public control of an entity. The Senate republicans managed to remove most of the controlling elements in the bills, which in this case is really a bad thing. In particular is the CEO pay cap that some seem set against. CEOs in America get paid a far higher wage than any CEO in any other country, and don't tell me it's talent. Our companies are starting to fall behind many foreign competitors. Our CEOs get paid over 300 times more than their floor workers, CEOs in other countries get 90 times a floor workers wage. Now if you think about what that extra 210 times of money can do to to help a company become more competitive, it's pretty clear that huge pay gaps are costing us. Additionally, the CEOs also don't pay nearly as much in taxes as they should on that money, as they use loopholes to avoid doing so. They don't help the economy at all. And in terms of raw percentage, they spend very little of what their earn. A CEO pay gap would have been very helpful. It seems to me that the party of the “Working People” isn't really the republicans, they just dupe the middle class into believing that.
ClevelandRock

Feb 25 @ 10:46PM  
Go complain about it on a web site that makes you pay to be a member, not a free site. You know, go to a web site run by a corporation that suckers you out of your money within the legal limits of a greedy capitalist society.

If that's not enough evidence that we're still in a right-wing capitalist society, how's this? Last December, I was informed that I no longer qualify for health insurance. Go to any other major country in the world; they'll fill you in on how ridiculous that is.
StraddleMyNose

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Feb 26 @ 1:28AM  
It seems to me that the party of the “Working People” isn't really the republicans, they just dupe the middle class into believing that

Capitalism grows businesses and corporations therefore creating jobs for the working class. Taxes and socialism shrinks the job force to where people lose their jobs. We're quickly on the fast track to socialism under Obama and this congress. To say Republicans are not for the working class is totally ridiculous. Ever have the working class and unions give you your jobs? No, doesn't work that way, it's businesses and corporations that do that the dems penalize with high taxes.

Go complain about it on a web site that makes you pay to be a member, not a free site. You know, go to a web site run by a corporation that suckers you out of your money within the legal limits of a greedy capitalist society

Nope, I'll bitch, complain, and whine about it here!

Furthermore, if you want to live in a socialist country try moving to Venezuela! I'm sure you would love it there...
stitch_83

Feb 28 @ 11:12PM  
I ll be honest I m not political, but the new face of capitalism is a socio-capitalistic partnership where private industry makes the gains and the public takes the loses. As stated earlier we had the bank bailout last fall. Bush could have chose not to sign, but he did. No arguing that, I don't care who you say convinced him, he still let it through.

As far as socialism, our society has adopted socialist views for years. We are not, nor ever were purely a free market society. If your not happy it move to another country, don't tell someone else to move. Its obvious that the majority felt that sticking with what "worked" for the past 8 years wasn't going to be good enough.

That's the problem when you have people from parties, when their side doesn't win they sit there and point fingers and complain. If you really cared you could drop your political label and help the other side work through this giant clusterfuck which is our economy.

It could be worse, we could have Reagan. Anyone? Arms for oil? Building an contra army to stop a democratic government so fruit juice ppl could make a better profit. You can do that when your president, but god forbid you get a Bj. Then we'll try to impeach you, even though the people putting you on trial have done the same thing.

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Feb 28 @ 11:25PM  
It could be worse, we could have Reagan. Anyone?

Oh no you don't! Don't go there. Reagan got us out of the mess that Carter got us into, and the economy was far more worse that this one. I was going to let you have your say until you threw Reagan up the way you did.

You talk about putting party labels aside, and yet you go blast Reagan and talk about Clinton where you think the guy did not illegally (lied under oath). Seems like you really need to learn to practice what you preach. As for us being somewhat of a socialistic country for years, I welcome you to go to such countries as Venezeula, or to other places such as Russia, Sweeden, Canada to name a few. These countries I mention are a lot more socialist than waht our country ever has been. As for moving, I don't see that happening, but our forefathers certainly didn't want any form of socialism in our Republic!
Wordsofwit

Feb 28 @ 11:54PM  
Reagan got us out of the mess that Carter got us into, and the economy was far more worse that this one.

No, Shawn that is not true.

Reagan did get us out of the Carter mess, no argument from me on that at all. President Reagan also renewed pride in the country and foreign policy in his first term. Regardless, of political affiliation, the first term of Ronald Reagan was one of the finest legacies of accomplishment by any American president.

The second term is a different matter, it is a legacy of which the commentator speaks and was written in red ink. George H. Bush had to pay the price for what he termed "voodoo economics" and lost his reelection bid as a result. There was shyster covert actions going on (Oliver North) in Iran/contra. The poster is correct. Reagan did man up and take responsibility for it happening on his watch.

But to say that the economy was worse under Carter than it is now is a fallacy. I know of nobody besides you, including republicans and conservative economists that feels that this morass isn't the worst since the great depression. I will be happy to cite links to conservative economists on this if you like.

There are no disagreements on this point, only in how the crisis should be responded to.
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Mar 1 @ 12:24AM  
Bruce, again I disagree with you on everything except for Reagan's first term. Reagan's second term wasn't as bad as you make it out to be, but then the senate was taken over by the dems in Jan. 1987, for which some of the spending may have gone up after this. But all in all it wasn't that bad of a second term. Now, as far as the economy being the worst right before Reagan versus now, inflation and unemployment was at all time highs since the great depression. A lot of conservative I know and listen to say pretty much the same thing I say. We're no where like we were 30 years ago as far as bad off. But people who have lost their jobs and homes may disagree since it's happened to them instead of someone else this time. We're not going to see eye to eye on this...
ebn1989

Mar 1 @ 2:20AM  
This is socialism for big business, which is fascism. Obama is simply throwing his core supporters a bone by putting the money for the people in the bill. The inflation problem will be like in Argentina between 1999-2001.

By the way, for at least the last 45 years every president of the United States has been a total puppet for the global financial elite.

Barack Obama's approval rating will likely be 20-30% in 2012, but a new puppet Republican will be brought in to act as the savior.
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Mar 1 @ 2:32AM  
Obama is simply throwing his core supporters a bone by putting the money for the people in the bill.
You got this part right!
stitch_83

Mar 1 @ 2:49PM  
My point with Clinton is, he should have never been under oath about his sexual practices. As long as its legal, and I ve yet to see anyone go to jail for adultery, he should have been up there to begin with. No, I m not a dem, I just don't like Reagan. To me he will all ways be involved with the Iran Contra scandal and Oliver North will be the fall guy.

As far as the stimulus bill, there was going to be some sort of bill like this no matter which choice A or B got elected. The only difference is they will tend to favor different things.

There's no point in complaining about it, as I am sure no one here has any effect over it.
SATELLITEOFLUV

Mar 1 @ 5:28PM  
"Socialist economy" - Sounds like a regurgitated Rush Limpballs phrase. Do you even know what socialism means? Police and fire departments are socialism. Public school systems are socialism. Japanese and German auto makers have a decided advantage over U.S. auto makers because they have socialized medicine.

Thirty years of trickle-down Reaganomics combined with unregulated capitalism have produced the trillion-dollar deficit President Obama inherited from Dubya. In November, the American people voted in a landslide for a new path. Nobel prize-winning economist Paul Krugman has applauded President Obama's jobs bill, and has argued for even greater stimulus. Now the GOP is simply rooting for Obama to fail, even if failure means dire consequences for most Americans. The republicans only solution offered is more tax cuts for the rich, which is what helped get us the huge deficit in the first place.

Why are you spewing your neo-con propaganda on an sex match site anyway?
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Mar 1 @ 7:10PM  
Thirty years of trickle-down Reaganomics combined with unregulated capitalism have produced the trillion-dollar deficit President Obama inherited from Dubya.
You're wrong! Part of that trillion-dollar deficit is what Obama added to it (682 billion) now. And we have way more to come as far as what he's (Obama) going to add to it over the next couple of years.

Nobel prize-winning economist Paul Krugman has applauded President Obama's jobs bill, and has argued for even greater stimulus.
Oh please, the guy who the New York Times publishes is a crazy nut job liberal that loves the idea of socilaism. As far as Nobel prizes, they hand those out to crazy ass liberals like they do with the Oscars and Grammies in Hollywood. So these prizes actually mean nothing today. I'm still shaking my head on a Nobel Peace prize going to Arafat (known terrorist leader who is now dead) years ago.
SATELLITEOFLUV

Mar 2 @ 7:18PM  
I can't believe you're devoting hours and hours to this republican missionary work on a sex match site. Get a life... see a psychologist.
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Mar 2 @ 8:21PM  
I can't believe you're devoting hours and hours to this republican missionary work on a sex match site. Get a life... see a psychologist.

That's not what I do when I do these type blogs, or any other blogs. I have tried to debate many liberal people, but it seems that that only goes so far when they start getting a little too personal and off topic like what you have done in your last comment. If you can't debate me, then just say so...
needsfunchick

Mar 3 @ 6:50PM  
You really have no idea what you are talking about. Entirely capitalist economies DO NOT WORK, get it in your head. Entirely socialist economies DO NOT WORK, get that in your head as well.

Trickle down economics work good on paper, not in real life. Communism works well on paper, not in real life. (Communism does not and never has existed, for that matter, except in very small communes)

We need some more socialism in this country because the crap you are preaching only works well on paper for the poor and middle class, the only people to benefit are the wealthy. Someone needs to step in and take care of this imbalance, and hopefully Obama has the balls to correct some of the blunders Republicans keep making.

As far as Obama's vacations are concerned, let's look at the total number of days he spends on vacation over the course of 4 years as opposed to Bush, then be the judge. Do I agree with the stimulus bill? No, but I didn't agree with the bailouts under Bush either, or the waste of money in Iraq fighting a civil war and lining pockets of American contractors.


Idiot.
Xien607

Mar 3 @ 7:04PM  
Idiot.

It just became quite clear as to who the real idiot is !!
needsfunchick

Mar 3 @ 7:14PM  
Really? Care to elaborate on that? At least attempt to refute anything I have said. Good luck.
Wordsofwit

Mar 3 @ 7:15PM  
Aw, yes, the blog that refused to die!
ynot7769

Mar 3 @ 7:20PM  
*sits down with a bag of bar b q pork rines...waits and watches *
StraddleMyNose

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Mar 3 @ 8:04PM  
capitalist economies DO NOT WORK
Oh, so I guess you're saying we're really not a super power country with many opportunities where the world envies us, and our enemies hate us because of our success with the world market/economy. Our capitalistic economy thrives not only for us, but global around the world where most other capitalitic countries benefit from us. If there is a problem with our economy then that effects all of these countries all over the world like dominos. We (USA) are the big boys and game players with the world economy. Where can one go and have as many opportunities for anyone and everyone? Reaganomics worked, it went very well with capitalism, and we were a much more of a thriving country back in the 80's because of this. Capitalism doesn't punish success, while socialism does. Can you tell me any socialist country in the world that thrives today? People around the globe would die for a chance to enter our country with the opportunities we have for everyone here (well, for now anyway). We're a country that's over 200 years old, and yet there are a lot of countries around the world that are thousands of years old, and yet we're the super power because of our economics and freedom. Yeah, so you think capitalism doesn't work huh? There's no question you're a Barry fan, and you can continue following him and his socialistic views. I do have to question your intelligence however!
needsfunchick

Mar 3 @ 8:58PM  
Yeah, our capitalist economy is REALLY thriving, isn't it? As far as the US being a super power country, the only reason is because we throw more money into defense spending than any other country in the world. You do realize that we are no better protected now than 10 years ago with old weapons, right? Talk about a waste of taxpayers dollars!

How does our economy reward hard work exactly? Do you mean the hardworking retail employee who goes to work every day and makes below a living wage? What happens to him/her when the company they work for decides that those at the top (making huge salaries) don't want to take a paycut AND they don't want to see the shareholders pulling their money out so they institute layoffs? How exactly does hard work pay off in those instances?
Or the hardworking school teacher who makes less than a retail manager? Why is education not as important as a retail business?

As far as praising Reagan is concerned, you do realize that the only people to benefit from his tax cuts were the wealthy, right? The average middle income family ended up paying more and getting less by the time Reagan left office. Add in wages that continued to stagnate (and still do), and you have more proof that trickle down economics ultimately only benefit the rich. Sure, you are creating jobs, lowpaying jobs! But you are creating jobs, and that's all that matters, right? Add in unprecendeted corporate growth which makes it difficult for newly emerging businesses to compete, and you are forcing people to work these jobs just to make it day to day.

Now, I already know where your argument goes, so I am going to state it for your. "GET AN EDUCATION IF YOU DON'T WANT TO WORK A SHIT JOB!" Fuck yeah, EVERYONE use government grants to get an education in whatever field you like, then you can have an overabundance of qualified workers in THOSE fields, which will drive salaries down. Great fucking reasoning! This goes right along with your outlawing abortion fight. "You can always put the child up for adoption." Right? There are currently right at a million abortions performed yearly in the United States. There are just over a million families wanting to adopt. Ban abortion for a year, you have filled that need. What then? Talk about an orphanage explosion. I just hope that all of those kids have red hair and white eyes and can make a living on Broadway.

The point is, Republicans are short sighted and don't understand how things work in the real world. This is not an ideal world (in your eyes) where everyone loves Jesus and only has sex 2 times in their lifetimes in order to have children who plow the field and feed the oxen.

As far as being a Barack supporter, I did not vote for the man. He intrigues me, and I think he has a lot to offer, but he didn't get my vote. Neither did McCain for that matter.

You stated that capitalism rewards success and socialism punishes it. How exactly does that work? You will have to excuse me, I am stupid, so please explain in detail.
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Mar 4 @ 9:40AM  
Okay, now you're getting into other areas such as abortion and defense. We're the strongest military defense in the whole world, as well as the most prosperous country in the world. We must be doing something right these past 200 plus years in regards to having a capitalist country. I still challenge you to name any country that it better off overall than the United States of America!
needsfunchick

Mar 4 @ 12:05PM  
I brought up abortion as a frame of reference for how people like you think. YOU brought up the United States being a superpower, not me. I merely responded to your claim.

You have yet to respond to ANYTHING I said regarding the economy, capitalism or socialism. I'm waiting.
needsfunchick

Mar 4 @ 12:22PM  
And to answer your last question, which does nothing except change the subject and allow you to avoid answering to anything you have stated on here, France, Switzerland, Austria, New Zealand, Denmark. There are 5 countries with higher qualities of living than the United States. How did I come up with them? Google is your friend. How did various sites come up with them? Objective, not subjective comparisons based on statistical facts. They didn't just ask a bunch of uneducated fucks if they thought their country was the best on the planet and mark it down as fact.
dmbchick420

Mar 4 @ 12:24PM  
Aw, yes, the blog that refused to die!

My sentiments exactly....can we give it a rest already????
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Mar 4 @ 3:27PM  
brought up abortion as a frame of reference for how people like you think. YOU brought up the United States being a superpower, not me. I merely responded to your claim.

You have yet to respond to ANYTHING I said regarding the economy, capitalism or socialism. I'm waiting.
Nice try, hot shot! For one, I did answer your question with how capitalism is so much better than socialism for us (remember the Carter years?). As we start drifting towards socialism we're going to start losing ground like we are now under Barry to where other countries will take the lead in the world economy. But then you're so convinced that countries such as France, Denmark, and Switzerland are so much better than us because they live under socialism status that I'm probably not going to change your mind about capitalism being better than your socialism. I do however disagree with you. You can google whatever you want, but living through current and past experiences in regards to the economic power house that the United States is speaks volumes in itself! You cannot rewrite history, even though you liberals love to try to.

And to answer your question about how socialism punishes the rich, it's simple really. People with money are taxed to death under socialism. It also breeds and rewards laziness in people to where no one wants to work for a living. With this system, opportunities to thrive do not exist. All this does manage to do is continue keeping more people poor. I don't believe in punishing the rich. Who do you think creates jobs out there for people? That's right, the rich with businesses and corporations. Why should we punish them with more taxes and federal guidelines to follow? Government is not the answer, it's the problem as Reagan had stated at one time, and I totally agree with this.
needsfunchick

Mar 4 @ 10:29PM  
You keep bringing up Carter. Please explain, in depth, as to what you find so repulsive about the state of the United States during those years. Most of your arguments appear to be talking points from Rush and Hannity.


In regard to the rest of your argument, you are assuming I am a pure socialist and a liberal. Please find where I have stated that socialism is the way to go. How much do you know about other developed countries in terms of their labor force? Are you saying that the majority of workers in Socialist countries are lazy? You really need to turn off the tv and radio and pick up some unbiased reading material.

Socialism doesn't always punish the rich, it just makes sure that the rich don't abuse their power and exploit those with less. Unfortunately, that is the situation here in the United States. The gap doesn't lie. Workers have few rights, and the ones who DO have rights are part of unions that are just as corrupt as the people they are in conflict with.
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Mar 4 @ 11:31PM  
Socialism doesn't always punish the rich, it just makes sure that the rich don't abuse their power and exploit those with less.
This is one of the reasons why I assume that you're a liberal and likes socialism. Not to mention the fact that you hate capitalism.
mcroxton

Mar 4 @ 11:46PM  
Socialism... and just what do you call taxation?
ultrasquid

Mar 5 @ 2:27AM  
Are you people shitting me, I am not a conservative nor a liberal, if I would have to subscribe to a party I would be a centrist. Both parties have good ideas that seldom get put into practice. I come from a long line of military men, from guadalcanal to iraq and all points in between. I love every one of those men that are still around and hold the ones that are not in highest regard.

That being said, I am pissed that private contractors get "no bid contracts" to fill the voids of men that would do what they needed to to if it were asked of them and they had a sincere drive to do what they thought was right. How right is it that a hired mercenary gets paid better to do a job than a man that is doing it for country?

This shit has been fucked up for some time. I had a step father that was on PT boats in veitnam, I respect the man with all my heart but know he will always be fucked up. When I say fucked up, he saw the "swift boat veterans for truth" and got so pissed off I can't begin to describe the way he was.

That "we didn't do anything like that over there" mentality is still running strong. I can tell you growing up in my family, that "we didn't do anything like that over there" shit is shameful. Almost as shameful as spitting on Vietnam vets when they come back home.

ultrasquid

Mar 5 @ 2:39AM  
I did just realize that I don't have any ladies serving in my family, but do feel I need to subscribe to the ladies that pop rivets for boing, lockheed martin and others and the ladies that take care of business over seas. Thank you same as the men!
needsfunchick

Mar 5 @ 8:55AM  
Still waiting, tick tock, tick tock. No one said I hate capitalism, put up or shut up Rush wannabe.

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