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[Reuters] A new law has been introduced into legislation, requiring drivers of any type of road vehicles to wear a helmet while operating their vehicle on any public roadway. It is not known at this time whether it will also require passengers to also wear one when riding in any vehicles, but it is estimated that this also will become a requirement as well.The new law if passed will go into effect on Jan. 2010 and will affect all 48 continental states.
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The aforementioned article is bullshit. A total lie. Now lets see how many will be honest and give their first impressions upon reading it precisely how they felt. And then of course, lets hear your views ,should it ever truly become a possible reality.

Because in my opinion, it will at least be attempted soon. Why, you ask?

There were nearly 6,420,000 auto accidents in the United States in 2005. The financial cost of these crashes is more than 230 Billion dollars. 2.9 million people were injured and 42,636 people killed
That's why.

Matter of fact, the top three injuries per year are Vehicle. Bicycle. And Horseback Riding. SO...whaddya say we all get together and start a movement to make helmets mandatory for all 3?

Lets hear thoughts on that.

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StraddleMyNose

Apr 8 @ 4:44AM  
If it rakes in the money for states, I wouldn't be surprised at all if that were to happen.
DangerousCurves999

Apr 8 @ 4:55AM  
Shiny green one for you DK.

Perspectives get skewed when all the statistics are not taken into account.

Sure the motorcycle stats for california sounded terrible as an isolated quote, but when compared to all injury reports they pale to a far lesser number.

The only time I would wear a helmet was when I was in the race car on the track and even then I felt claustophobic. I only wore a helmet on my bike because it was mandatory on the roads. I can't remember ever wearing one on the farm or off road bikes. I came off my bike a couple of times and the road rash on my body was far worse than anything my helmet ever took.

I think that it should be personal choice. But I do think you should have enough insurance to cover your expenses if you do have an accident.

The government will try to mandate when and how we go to the bathroom next and find a way to tax it.... perhaps by the flush.

Time the public servants start listening to "the people" instead of dictating to "the people" who have lost their voices over the years due to apathy.
NightOfOld

Apr 8 @ 5:08AM  

My friend I wore no helmet in Nam, I wore none when I rode in the 50's & 60's
on my motorcycle, and I wore none when I broke horses. I shall wear none now or ever. My only armor is love.
StraddleMyNose

Apr 8 @ 5:35AM  
Oh, I forgot, here's a kudo. As Scottishtease would say, this blog gave me a "chuckle".
sumdaysoon

Apr 8 @ 6:01AM  
yea we could hook cell phones "in" the helmut.........and i-pods........and all the rest of the stuff people do while driving........or make 'em like the fighter pilot helmut........get all the cool lights and vision enhancers in them.........i think i'll start work on that.......... they can't make me wear a seatbelt.........i'm betting the helmut would meet with the same fate.......
zaralyon

Apr 8 @ 6:01AM  
the only time I wear a helmet is when riding a motorcycle, but a helmet won't protect the rest of the body just the head.
LilGriz

Apr 8 @ 6:47AM  
Like anything else DK, the government will make more laws instead of making sure authorities are enforcing the present ones. For me, I used to ride with a half helmet as fulls are too confining. I think it is a personal matter and should be the riders option.

Here's a greenie for you
buellriders69

Apr 8 @ 6:50AM  
we wear helments on our bike... but I will be DAMNED if I will wear one driving... the cant/dont enforce the laws they have now why make more... if they would get the stupid people off the road then there would be less Accidents... bad subject with me...
sundance64

Apr 8 @ 6:51AM  
I wear a helmet when I ride (as a passenger) on a motorcycle. Never while riding a horse. I believe it should be a choice for an experienced adult...I have no experience with motorcycles and well over 25 years with horses...most horse related injuries involve broken bones, shoulder...leg..back or neck. A helmet isn't going to help...
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 7:40AM  
Honestly? My first impression was that it was bullshit, and a total lie.

"Helmets only protect the head and not the body." I'm sorry to be so blunt, but DUH!! The BRAIN is inside the head. And if your brain gets hurt chances are, IF you live to tell about it, then the rest of your body isn't going to work so well anymore either. Broken bones and bruised and lacerated skin heals just a tad easier than does an injured brain.

DK, please provide sources for your stats. I'm a little surprised that horseback riding injuries occur more frequently than do, say, falls, for instance.
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 8:18AM  
Statistics on motorcycle accidents with and without helmets:

Even with design flaws and what not, it's only common sense that wearing helmets protect people from head injuries a lot more than not wearing one would. They protect the brain from concussion (among other injuries), and it doesn't take but a very slight impact at fairly low speeds to injure the brain. If the brain swells enough, you don't live.

Here's a quote from one source of many (source:

( I tried posting links, but kept getting an error so I'm going to try to post without the links. Anyway, I got this quote by going to the NHTSA home page and doing a search for "motorcycle helmets." A page full of links to studies and statistics came up. This is the second one in the list, titled "Report to Congress February 1996.")

"Helmets cannot protect the rider from most types of injuries. But further
analysis of the CODES data, possible because of the linked medical outcome, showed that motorcycle helmets are 67 percent effective in preventing brain injuries. Thus, if all motorcyclists had been wearing helmets, 67 percent of those unhelmeted motorcyclists who received inpatient care for a brain injury would not have sustained the brain injury.

In other words, unhelmeted motorcyclists were over three times as likely to suffer a
brain injury as were helmeted motorcyclists."

It is a 45-page report, and a .pdf document, so I can't post all of it here, obviously.

But who needs stastical proof when common sense would tell (most) people that wearing a helmet would be better than not wearing one?

RedShien

Apr 8 @ 9:05AM  
But DK, the goverment is just trying to help you!. They know what is best for you , and soon, they will find so you don't have to think or make choices at all! Trust them, they are here to help
soft_touch938

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Apr 8 @ 9:07AM  
NEVER NEVER NEVER!!!

The next thing ya know is, we'll have to wear helmets in our showers cause we might slip and fall. Or maybe they should just ban showers altogether cause they are hazardous to our health.

My health and safety is MY business and the government needs to butt out!
Scottishtease

Apr 8 @ 9:24AM  
OK straddle I am posting this in your blog as well...I feel it should be up to the individual whether they want to wear a helmet &/or fasten a seatbelt, not up to the government we do live in a free country after all dont we? JMO.
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 9:32AM  
It's got nothing to do with what the government thinks. Use your brain (while you still have one left). THINK. Common sense would tell you wearing a helmet protects your skull and brain more so than not wearing one would.

fantasyfactory

Apr 8 @ 10:07AM  
Like I said in the other blog. If you are so concerned about eliminating preventable injuries, then give up that SUV!!!!!! Chances of not sustaining life threatening injuries while driving a small car in an accident with a SUV are slim at best.
themama

Apr 8 @ 10:14AM  
All I got to say is very interesting....You post something that is a lie.. And away some people go.....
But I will say it is a persons right to wear a helmet or not.. It is their choice. Not the goverments right to make our choices for us.
BlueEyes708

Apr 8 @ 10:21AM  
OK, First Image.

WTF!!! I don't like helmets when I ride, though 90% of the time I wear one out of habit anyway. But in a Car? Yeah right, They have to be kidding right?

Then I think OK, I know this guys wicked sense of humor and this isn't right. Which he later when to explain it was B.S.

They may try to implement such a law, but there is one BIG problem. There are far more cage drivers in the US than Motorcyclists. They don't like it when ABATE get a burr under their saddle and takes a stand on something. Wait until all the car, truck, etc. drivers get up in arms over such a law. The seatbelt laws went into effect when people weren't looking. There are too many watchdogs now. And the cry to arms will go up.

But knowing DKW if it means it's going to keep me safe, I'll be wearing a helmet when I ride my bike at least.

great Blog Love




themama

Apr 8 @ 10:21AM  
Oh and as I said in straddles blog sorry some of you but it should be when coming to riding motorcycles...
I know from riders that there would be less accidents with bikers is the 4 wheeled drivers out there would watch the bikers...and drive with cation always....
NachoBaby

Apr 8 @ 10:44AM  
Living in hippy ville? Not such a bad law. At least it would keep the air from blowing in one ear and out the other.
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 10:59AM  
Like I said in the other blog. If you are so concerned about eliminating preventable injuries, then give up that SUV!!!!!! Chances of not sustaining life threatening injuries while driving a small car in an accident with a SUV are slim at best.

That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. Why should I give up my SUV? Why not make people give up their small cars? lol Why not make truckers give up their 18-wheelers?
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 11:02AM  
But I will say it is a persons right to wear a helmet or not.. It is their choice. Not the goverments right to make our choices for us.

but it is the government's right to "make the choice for us" when those of us who are too ignorant to realize the benefits of wearing one, or who are too stubborn to wear one simply because they don't like being told what to do contributes to the high cost of insurance, medical treatment, and costs of rehabilitation due to severe head injuries incurred without their use.
Thenewguy2957

Apr 8 @ 11:12AM  
Sounds like a great idea, thousands of those victims are children, many more thousands of kids are killed or injured by cars than by guns so anything to reduce the carnage is welcome.

I think a background check to own or operate a car as well as a cooling off period before a purchase are good things also.
No one with say two or more moving violations, or who has CAUSED an accident or with sexual offenses should be allowed the privilege of driving. We don't need drunks, speeders or pedophiles driving around.
fantasyfactory

Apr 8 @ 11:22AM  
"but it is the government's right to "make the choice for us" when those of us who are too ignorant to realize the benefits of wearing one"

Heels click together, knees start jerking, black uniforms worn proudly.......Where have I seen this attitude before? The common good is more important than the freedoms of a few.......
themama

Apr 8 @ 11:24AM  
Ok let me clarify what I was saying in my first comment.. I ment in riding in vehicles not riding a motorcycle..
Is that better for you Avenger?
And I only think it should be a law for motorcycles because again I will say it is the 4 wheel drivers out there that don't watch or care about the bikers...
Yes I klnow there are some bikers on the road that can be asses to but they are just getting sick of the way 4 wheel vehicles are ...
No it is not the goverments right to make our choices for us.. How would anyone like it if they came and told us all we have be told when we can eat ,sleep take a shit!!! And so on...
fantasyfactory

Apr 8 @ 11:38AM  
But if you had to give up your SUV, not a chance! Everybody else should give up their little cars.
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 11:44AM  
Ok let me clarify what I was saying in my first comment.. I ment in riding in vehicles not riding a motorcycle..

Is that better for you Avenger?


It's neither better, nor worse. Be that as it may, I wasn't aware that the government was trying to make it mandatory that helmets be worn in vehicles. And they probably never will. Why? Because they're not necessary. The vehicle itself, plus your seatbelt, plus your airbag, is what (hopefully) protects your head/face/skull/brain from serious injury.


And I only think it should be a law for motorcycles because again I will say it is the 4 wheel drivers out there that don't watch or care about the bikers...
Yes I klnow there are some bikers on the road that can be asses to but they are just getting sick of the way 4 wheel vehicles are ...

You mean to tell me that all motorcycle accidents are the fault of drivers of four-wheel vehicles? Have you ever seen some of the stupid shit motorcyclists do? Weaving in and out of traffic on the interstate at 75 mph and more..riding in the emergency lane, etc., etc. And what about crashes that don't involve another vehicle at all?

No it is not the goverments right to make our choices for us.. How would anyone like it if they came and told us all we have be told when we can eat ,sleep take a shit!!! And so on...

On that note, why not just eliminate all the laws pertaining to driving? Or anything else, for that matter? Why should we impose speed limits? Why should we have to obey traffic signals? Why should we have to have vehicles with safety glass in them or auto emissions controls?

Why stop there? Why shouldn't we be allowed to carry a firearm, unlicensed, and concealed? Why can't we carry a weapon into a bar, or a courtroom?

Why even live in a civilized society at all?
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 11:45AM  
But if you had to give up your SUV, not a chance! Everybody else should give up their little cars.
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 11:49AM  
But if you had to give up your SUV, not a chance! Everybody else should give up their little cars.

I was merely trying to point out how ridiculous your statement was!

What the hell does the fact I own an SUV have to do with this discussion? LOL..you are making no sense whatsoever!

It's almost as though you're saying instead of the government mandating that motorcyclists wear helmets, then everyone who drives an SUV should have to give up driving an SUV because, if they hit someone who drives a smaller vehicle (or even if they hit them) they shouldn't be allowed to drive an SUV.

By that logic, then no one should be able to drive an 18-wheeler or a large pickup truck or a panel truck, because they're all bigger than my SUV by comparison.

And what the hell does any of that have to do with motorcyclists wearing helmets?



SxzeNewMe

Apr 8 @ 11:53AM  
I know this is going to sound terrible, but accidents happen. We can't go through life trying to protect ourselves from every little thing that might hurt us - to any degree. Yes, reasonable precautions - use your head - but it seems to me that the privilege of driving a vehicle on the roads means you have demonstrated that you will use common sense and obey the laws. If people do that, what more can we ask? We can't stop all bad things from happening no matter how many safeguards we put up - because accidents do happen.

I didn't want my kid to have her tooth ripped out of her mouth by a tree limb - but I wasn't about to stop her from learning to climb a tree and test her skills and abilities. It didn't stop her from climbing trees, either.
themama

Apr 8 @ 11:54AM  
LOL.. You are so funny You took a blog that was a lie that he started.. Just to see how we all comment on it.. Go back and read it!!!!!!!

And all I have to say in the way you are throwing your opinions out again.. and trying to get me going and fight with you it's not working..

Stop taking what I posted and twisting what I wrote and go back and read it again also...

And also if that is how you feel.. I will say to you Is Hitler back alive and kicking....
slohand_47

Apr 8 @ 11:54AM  
Why stop at helmets? Lets just ban motorcycles period.
And cigarettes.
And alcohol.
Guns.
Horses.
Bicycles.
Skate Boards
Monkey Bars. (too late, already gone)

All toys should be Nerff.

Outlaw EVERY car...... except the ONE car that has the safest rating..... and make them all the same; anti lock brakes, front, side, top, bottom, and rear air bags. Use the same restraint system that race cars have, including roll cage.

Are we safe yet??
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 12:12PM  
what the hell does Hitler have to do with it? My point is there are already laws that mandate and control society's behavior, but having a law mandating the use of helmets is akin to being governed by some nutjob like Hitler was?

I'm "throwing out" my opinions again? Ummm...duh!!! WTF do you think you and everyone else here is doing? LOL .I'm not trying to get anyone to fight with me. I'm stating what I fucking believe. And when people refute my statements with replies that make no sense and they cannot back up with facts or logic, then I reply in return. It's all part of having a discussion.

And as far as outlawing everything..no one is talking about outlawing motorcyles or taking away anyone's right to ride them. What I can't figure out is why someone would be so damned stubborn over such an issue. You have to know that wearing a helmet is going to protect your brain a lot more than not wearing one is. But because the government says you have to wear one, just to be stubborn you'd rather defiantly not wear one and have your little brains squashed all over the pavement just to prove a point!

My ex husband was a cop for many years and I had the hardest time convincing him why wearing his Kevlar vest (which was mandated by the PD) was a hell of a lot more important than was the fact that they were "too uncomfortable." Go figure. lol



canuhelpme258

Apr 8 @ 12:18PM  
I will drop down from my self imposed exile to laugh my ass off! That was brilliant!
fantasyfactory

Apr 8 @ 12:20PM  
I thought you were supposed to rattle before you strike! Please explain to the millions of men AND women who gave up their lives to ensure that people have the rights, that you are so willing to give away. It would seem that they would give you the same deaf ear that I am.
Natgoat

Apr 8 @ 12:25PM  
Oh!..Great !! . .
I can see all the new Lizard commercials, Already . . !!
If I had a policy with ANY of those big ins. co's . . I'd DEMAND a Rebate . . !!
..for using My money to Advertise how much I could 'Save'...!!!
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 12:35PM  
We are not living in a lawless society, I'm afraid...and no one has given up their life so that we could.

Okay...here's an alternative for you. Don't make helmet use a law, but don't raise insurance and medical costs across the board for those of us who have enough common sense to wear one. It's not fair for me to have to pay higher insurance premiums and medical care costs to cover expenses caused by devastating injuries from accidents involving uninsured/underinsured motorcylists who refuse to wear their helmet.

What should happen at the least is that insurance companies should mandate their use and those who refuse to wear one won't be able to claim any losses as a result. Moreover, from that point on their rates should be exorbitantly higher than those who have enough common sense to wear one. If you don't care about having your brains splattered all over the street, neither do I. I just don't want to have to pay for it, and you should have to assume all financial and legal consequences as a result of your refusal to wear one.

fantasyfactory

Apr 8 @ 12:40PM  
Gee. and what would be the difference in insurance cost between the big SUV and a small car? Obviously money is not the issue, winning an argument is. Fighting with you is like being in the special olympics. Even if you win, you are still retarded!
themama

Apr 8 @ 1:00PM  
It was just a comment... avevenger
Just saying we all have our opinions on this matter but if the goverment starts wanting everyone to were a helmet in "all vehicles what would be next!!!!
Yes we need our laws.. Never said we didn't!!!!!
again stop twisting my word..

Was looking somethings up here is something I found.. So yes here is something to back me up a little...I can't figure out how to put links on yet..
So the web page I got it from was.....findlaw.com under the tap motor vehicle accidents....
The risks that motorcycle riders face, and the need to protect their rights of recovery after an accident, become readily apparent through a review of the following statistics:

In two-thirds of motorcycle accidents involving another vehicle, the driver of the other vehicle violated the motorcycle rider's right of way and caused the accident.
Motorcyclists are about 26 times more likely to die in a crash than someone riding in a passenger car, and are 5 times as likely to be injured.
Per mile traveled in 1998, motorcyclists were about 16 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die, and about 3 times as likely to be injured, in a motor vehicle crash.
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 1:37PM  
FF, what the HELL does my SUV have to do with any of this??? If there's one thing I'm not, it's retarded. LOL



The mama..yes, it was just a comment...and I just commented in return. I wasn't twisting your words..I was making a rebuttal comment based upon the logic (or illogic, as the case may be) of what you and others have stated with regard to your argument about why wearing helmets shouldn't be mandatory.

And as far as your stats, it only is common sense that a motorcycle rider would be (typically) injured in a crash far worse than would be the driver or passenger of some other vehicle. Hence even more valid reason for wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle.

fantasyfactory

Apr 8 @ 1:40PM  
Run Forrest run!
themama

Apr 8 @ 1:53PM  
I'm with you FF..LOL run forest run..
No matter what is posted on here you have a rebuttle..Of something else to keep this going.. If you really read what was the first part of it.. It says 2/3 of motorcycle accidents were due to cars not watching the motorcycles..

So yes it should only be a law due to just that...I say again!!!!!!!!! And leave it at that..

I have alot of friends that ride... as I do too..
and yes we wear helmets due to other drivers thats all..
BKB1972

Apr 8 @ 1:54PM  
as I sit here in my house, doors locked, shades down, single story so I don't have to navigate stairs, heat off so no fire hazard, turning off the electrical tomorrow, selling my truck, ear piece for my phone to decrease radiation, wearing a helmet, condom, 3 layers of Charmin & 4 layers of bubble wrap....I just noticed....







...I have to pee
BlueEyes708

Apr 8 @ 1:56PM  
The risks that motorcycle riders face, and the need to protect their rights of recovery after an accident, become readily apparent through a review of the following statistics:

Just remember Dead Men have no rights and tell no tales.

Enforce the Law equally. If that would happen, if a motorcyclist dies because you were at fault, (failer to yield, lane change without proper clearance, whatever,) then it's Vehicular Homicide. No questions asked, and that's what the charge should be.

See how fast things change on the road.

Sorry love, didn't mean to hi-jack your blog.

canuhelpme258

Apr 8 @ 2:07PM  
But who needs stastical proof when common sense would tell (most) people that wearing a helmet would be better than not wearing one?

Can I laugh at the absurdity of this statement? Please???????
DarkKnightWalking

Apr 8 @ 2:11PM  
DK, please provide sources for your stats. I'm a little surprised that horseback riding injuries occur more frequently than do, say, falls, for instance
Transportation accidents (cars, bikes, horses) account for nearly half of all traumatic brain injury, followed by falls (25%).
From The Franklin Institute

Bicycle injury report from the government:
Each year, nearly 1,000 persons die from injuries caused by bicycle crashes, and 550,000 persons are treated in emergency departments for injuries related to bicycle riding. Head injuries account for 62% of bicycle-related deaths, for 33% of bicycle-related emergency department visits, and for 67% of bicycle-related hospital admissions.
CDC.gov

And this is about other motor vehicles, Avenger. Lets try to keep motorcycle statistics to the other thread, save for points of reference, please. Theres another blog for that one.
fantasyfactory

Apr 8 @ 2:13PM  
Like I said in the other blog. If you are so concerned about eliminating preventable injuries, then give up that SUV!!!!!! Chances of not sustaining life threatening injuries while driving a small car in an accident with a SUV are slim at best

RUN FORREST RUN!!!!!!!
canuhelpme258

Apr 8 @ 2:25PM  
It's got nothing to do with what the government thinks. Use your brain (while you still have one left). THINK. Common sense would tell you wearing a helmet protects your skull and brain more so than not wearing one would.

By that token and following that logic... we can pass laws saying condoms are mandatory for EVERYONE even monogamous couples.

We can say that EVERYONE wears a life vest in a wading pool.

We can say that you must wear safety goggle to wash dishes in your home.

I could go on and on... just because something is a really good idea.. does not mean we need to legislate it.

We are not living in a lawless society, I'm afraid...and no one has given up their life so that we could.
..and yet none of our brave men and women have made the ultimate sacrifice so that we could legislate every single aspect of our citizen's lives. I like your idea of raising premiums... however.. if you dig deep enough into all these "safety laws" you will already find that the over bloated insurance lobby is behind them... trimming out flow maximizing income.

You need to also understand what it means to be a biker... not a crotch rocketeer... a biker... that I'm sorry to say is where you'll never be able to see the other side of the coin here... its a life style you either live it or you don't.

In so far SUV drivers go... when the highways are clogged with those gas guzzlers who's tanks are dry and gas prices force even more families from their homes.. I hope you rethink the over sized piece of shit.
canuhelpme258

Apr 8 @ 2:27PM  
jmho

If you don't ride... you don't get a voice on this... I don't tell you to have a happy period.
casuallylooking

Apr 8 @ 2:28PM  
wow, DK, you sure hit a few nerves on this one....lol

Personally, as I read it I thought "That's nuts and never going to happen. Is he kidding or misunderstood something? Wait a minute, It's DK, there's more to this".

Have you ever seen some of the stupid shit motorcyclists do? Weaving in and out of traffic on the interstate at 75 mph and more..riding in the emergency lane, etc., etc. And what about crashes that don't involve another vehicle at all?

Yep..I've also seen stupid people in cars weave in and out of traffic at high speeds, causing others to have near accidents.
Ever seen someone in a vehicle ride the back end of a motorcycle just to be an ass or to get them to go faster? Ever seen a car pass a bike and cut back in too soon and expect the bike can just stop on a dime? And then not even stop as the bike was on it's side dragging the rider?
Ever seen a car suddenly stop in front of a bike with no brake lights? Would you like to know what the guy on that bike looked like afterwards and he HAD on a helmet.

Let's be honest, Yes, there are stupid people who ride motorcycles and do stupid things..Saw it happen Sat. BUT, there are also many smart, responsible ones. The same as cars, trucks, suv's, semis, horses, bicycles and people who walk.

My two cents for the day.....


canuhelpme258

Apr 8 @ 2:34PM  
Ever seen a car pass a bike and cut back in too soon and expect the bike can just stop on a dime?
Watched in horror as my bro went tumbling ass over feet because of this... spent the rest of the night at the ER with him...

Guy pulled over to early, Rudes swerved, tires met curb at 35mph we were not speeding... and there it was... the asshole only stopped because our friend in a car behind us ran him down and stopped him.

Bottom line is people drive like their heads are up their asses!
DarkKnightWalking

Apr 8 @ 2:36PM  
but it is the government's right to "make the choice for us" when those of us who are too ignorant to realize the benefits of wearing one

Well then...hypothetically...I have shown by the numbers, it would DEFINITELY be a safer situation for you to wear one in your motor vehicle. So buckle up.
canuhelpme258

Apr 8 @ 2:42PM  
but it is the government's right to "make the choice for us" when those of us who are too ignorant to realize the benefits of wearing one

Oh hell no...

Nope

Fuck no!

We the people.... ring a bell...

A government by the people of the people for the people.... that line of thinking is backwards.... we call the shots.... not government and the sooner everyone wakes up to that... the better our nation can be!
canuhelpme258

Apr 8 @ 2:45PM  
I have to go dress down a public educator... thank you for getting my blood pressure up for it first!
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 3:01PM  
That's true, casually looking ..but when someone's brains are splattered all over the street because they weren't wearing a helmet, I think whose fault it was is going to be a moot point at that point. Being careful does not ensure everyone else is going to be careful, nor does it ensure that nothing's going to happen anyway. A motorcyclist could hit debris in the road, a swerve to miss a deer or a ball that rolled into the street..any number of things. True accidents do happen, and I personally don't see anything wrong with protecting one of the most vulnerable and valuable organs you have ...your brain.

Most people are so immaturely stubborn about making sure "the government" doesn't tell them what to do that they'll even go so far as to risk their own life in order to make sure that it doesn't happen.

Generally speaking, my main motivation for thinking it should be mandatory is because I'd hate to see anyone smash their brains out. And obviously "the government" saw that people weren't wearing them of their own accord so I guess they decided to enact laws to try to protect those people who obviously have no value for human life.

But ...when it comes down to it, if people have no regard for their own lives, why the hell should I care about them? Like I say, forget making it a law; just don't compensate them for any head injuries incurred and also make them pay for their own damages and raise their insurance rates to cover the higher medical and rehab costs and/or funeral costs.

Along with freedom comes responsibility and consequences. How many of you "bare-headed" proponents would argue your rights if you knew you had to pay out the ass for the above-mentioned services and benefits?

BKB1972

Apr 8 @ 3:03PM  
Fact is..if we get too safe, I'm out of a job.
People drive idiots...Ex:
Emergent on our way to a motor vehicle accident, we got passed by an elderly lady eating Mc D's with Handicap plates.

Motorcycle going est. 110mph, hit a car on the rear passenger side pannel spinning the car - rider was thrown 83ft. He was wearing a helmet & was treated for a broken wrist.

Elderly woman heads down the drive on ice to get the AM paper, falls, breaks a hip, never leaves the hospital, dies due to a blood clot in her lungs after surgery. Was the morning paper worth that?

Firefighter died recently near here after he rolled a truck on the way to a minor medical call - we're not immune to it either.

Fact is, you cannot eliminate all risks. Freedom to choose helmet or seatbelt is yours...Just happy to help when bad things happen to good people.

Good discussion DKW Kudo for letting me get my .02 in
fantasyfactory

Apr 8 @ 3:09PM  
Mandatory? Nope, it's all about control.......RUN FORREST RUN!
DarkKnightWalking

Apr 8 @ 3:19PM  
Along with freedom comes responsibility and consequences. How many of you "bare-headed" proponents would argue your rights if you knew you had to pay out the ass for the above-mentioned services and benefits?

What, you think we dont already? We pay the same scaled taxes as you. We pay the same insurance premiums as you, that include "uninsured motorists", which by the way, nearly all states are mandatory insured now. Means the "Bare Heads" are paying as well. Thats another topic entirely, but it was the insurance companies that rammed the seat belt laws through process, claiming that their costs were so high, due to uninsured motorists. They promised that their rates would go down, if it was made law. Well, guess what. Right after the laws were passed, the rates INCREASED.

But the point is, IF their driving any vehicle legally, they are most likely paying for insurance, and covering their own costs. If their not, then they are performing a criminal act, and should be treated accordingly.

And like I keep saying...the numbers are there, from injuries AND head injuries caused by driving a motor vehicle. Staggering numbers. So like you keep saying, it is only COMMON SENSE...that wearing a helmet while driving a motor vehicle would affect those numbers drastically. So buckle it on. Only common sense.
DangerousCurves999

Apr 8 @ 4:14PM  
Oh hell no...

Nope

Fuck no!

We the people.... ring a bell...

A government by the people of the people for the people.... that line of thinking is backwards.... we call the shots.... not government and the sooner everyone wakes up to that... the better our nation can be!
Exactly Canu

How many more of your constitutional rights are you going to let erode because the government says so. Just look at the Bill of Rights these days one at a time and ask yourself how many are still standing in light of government carte blanche decisions in the last 7 years. Governmental erosion of freedoms are insidious because "the People" are becoming complacent.

Kids these days can't have fun like they did in the old days... because of lawsuits. My ex husband would not let his 5 yr old son climb a tree because his kids mom might sue him if he got caught. Poor kid... I let him climb the tree when his dad wasn't home. Then you have the out of control kids because the government won't let you discipline them anymore if they get out of line. There is a difference between beating and a spanking for misbehaviour. Heck after one paddling when I was young all I had to do was hear the words "wooden spoon" and I would smarten up right quick. Why do I think this erosion of society is happening? Political correctness being instilled by yep..... the government to keep us safe. One thing at a time so you hardly notice it's happening until it's too late.

Common sense and safety is one thing but a governent mandate is not right. Especially when every new mandate comes with a new fee. Have you ever noticed that? We pay for erosion of our rights. Those very rights that our soldiers went to war for and died for! I feel like the government is flipping those brave men off.

Just my .10 cents.... inflation you know... gotta cover those new fees.

fantasyfactory

Apr 8 @ 4:20PM  
And ever so slowly the light of reason pierces the fog of ignorance.
sundance64

Apr 8 @ 4:59PM  
Here's the thing...and I'll use horseback riding as an example since I don't know how to ride a motorcycle and have already said I'd wear a helmet as a passenger...

I've been riding for 25+ years...I have experience and confidence when riding...and can ride pretty much any horse. However, I also have the experience to know when I'm in over my head with a horse. So...I'm also a safe rider, I don't hotrod or do crazy shit that could get me hurt or killed while riding. But...things happen on a 1200 pound animal. Therefore I'm willing to take responsibility for what happens if I'm not wearing a helmet. Do I recommend wearing one? For children and inexperienced riders...yes. When I gave lessons I always made my students put one on before taking a horse to the staging area...or anytime there was a horse outside of the barn or paddock.
I know alot of equestrians wear a helmet as a matter of course...that's fine. I don't. Should it be a law? Well...considering one of the main reasons for making it a law is not safety but financial...no.
NachoBaby

Apr 8 @ 5:50PM  
I think AMD should have a helmet law too.. you know.. the kind that little Jimmy who rides the short bus wears?

I know I'm not takin my tinfoil beanie off in this joint.
nawtikitty

Apr 8 @ 6:16PM  
The common denominator amongst all three of those is brain injury. You can function without an arm, leg, foot or hand. You can still be a contributing member of society from a wheelchair.

You become a financial burden if you're a veggie. That's what not wearing helmuts does ..

For some states I am getting the opinion this is a new concept.

My son has never not known what it's like to get in a car and not put his seat belt on. It's a way of life that he doesn't question.

Same as getting on his bicycle. No helmut? No riding. Period. Non-negotiable.

If your willing to take the chance with your own health, or that of a loved one's and possibly expose them to being a vegetable, please don't whine when it happens.

There will not be any sympathy from me. You're an adult but if you choose to not be responsible for your behaviour why should others have to foot the financial bill for your selfishness?. There is no excuse for not wearing protective gear and empty comments such as "It's my right" or "I've never worn one and I'm fine" only mean you haven't paid attention to anyone or events around you.Read the newspapers-it's right there.

. Sadly you likely will never see what the veggie person who refused to wear safety gear looks like.

He's laying in a bed somewhere with an G-tube (feeding tube)in his stomach and a diaper on his ass..and he's 24 years old
nawtikitty

Apr 8 @ 6:22PM  
Why stop at helmets? Lets just ban motorcycles period.
And cigarettes.
And alcohol.
Guns.
Horses.
Bicycles.
Skate Boards
Monkey Bars. (too late, already gone)


lmao..yes let's take a reasonable debate and turn it fanatical ..Slohand!! *shame on you..come here and let me give you a spanking*

And cigarettes.
And alcohol.
Guns.

I must be getting militant in my old age . You don't need any of these but if you combined how much you pay in taxes for the damages that wreak upon society?
canuhelpme258

Apr 8 @ 6:38PM  
but it is the government's right to "make the choice for us" when those of us who are too ignorant to realize the benefits of wearing one
If people are stoopid enough to put hot ass coffee between their thighs while driving and no laws are passed to stop that stoopid shit.... why stop people from going bare headed?

I mean seriously we can not possibly pass laws to protect everyone from everything or we get fascism... hence the Hitler reference from either here or on the other blog.. I'm too confuzzled to keep up... I just know that someone on the other thread said my kids were idiots because I've ridden without a lid... (how does that work again?) So I'm staying here instead of where my mouth will get me in trouble.

DangerousCurves999

Apr 8 @ 6:45PM  
Guns.

Ohhhhh trust me kitty I need guns... I don't walk in the woods or by the river without one here. I would get eaten by a big Kodiak Brown Bear.... they hang out in town here as well..... some are really good at dumpster diving and breaking into houses too.

Apart from that it's how I feed myself without spending a fortune at the grocery store.

Bambi .... BOOM!!!
Thumper.... BOOM!!!
Daffy......BOOM!!!

And then there is King Crab, Salmon, Cod, Halibut and Scallops.

Want to take away my fishing gear because the hooks are dangerous too?

What about my garden tools as well.... I might have an accident and then I can be deprived of fresh veggies too.

It should be personal choice .... once again not a government mandate for how to choose to live your life as long as it does not harm others.
canuhelpme258

Apr 8 @ 6:57PM  
For cryin' out loud I am nearly a socialist my views run so far left.. (no really they do) yet I do not think we can over legislate this country!
fantasyfactory

Apr 8 @ 7:25PM  
Where are those statistics when you need them? During a one year period, how many motorcyclist are in a vegetative state because of an accident? And for the sake of argument, lets leave accidents with motor vehicles out of this...Now how many unprotected people get Aids every year? What is the difference in the cost to treat the Aids victims as compared to the motorcycle accident victims? Considering the Aids victims are going to die, and cost tons of money to treat before they die, then with the safety minded individuals in mind, why isnt unprotected sex illegal? What the hell, if you are going to force us to live in your perfect little world, then make it perfect! The point is you cant, so stop trying to force feed your values on people you dont understand in the first place!
nawtikitty

Apr 8 @ 8:09PM  
people are stoopid enough to put hot ass coffee between their thighs while driving and no laws are passed to stop that stoopid shit.... why stop people from going bare headed?

CanU that's a simplistic analogy..and faulty
nawtikitty

Apr 8 @ 8:12PM  
Dangerous

your response had credence until you "upped the ante" to ridiculous..

Maybe we should NEVER EVER have sex because we MIGHT have an orgasm..thats a similar analogy to that



NachoBaby

Apr 8 @ 8:30PM  
I'm just sayin
sugarnspice005

Apr 8 @ 9:06PM  
My health and safety is MY business and the government needs to butt out!

That is exactly how I feel too Soft. They want to make a stupid law like that...then I guess I'd better set up a "helmet law" fund at the bank cause I'd be getting pulled over daily. I will NOT wear a helmet while driving my damn car.
DangerousCurves999

Apr 8 @ 9:34PM  
Hey Nawti... you think thats far fetched huh... well you never know how far stupid laws go.

I mean there is one still on the books in one eastern USA state where it is illegal to live under the same roof and sleep together unless you are married. It's a state law.... the government said so and never repealed it. I seem to remember a lady losing her job over it. She was told move out or get married or you don't have a job.

Fact not fiction.

You would be amazed at the stupid laws that are still in place in this country. What makes you think you are immune from more government stupidity and control. We had a Health Department employee here declare bake sales illegal and cut a major amount of fundraising ability from the kids here. When we asked him why... he quoted "government regualtions". Heck we cant even have a BBQ at a lions club event without hairnets and gloves and coats anymore. Why? government regulations. Someone needs to drop his govt regs in a crab pot.
TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 9:34PM  
What, you think we dont already? We pay the same scaled taxes as you.

I'm saying if you're too stubborn to wear a helmet you should pay much higher premiums OR you shouldn't be covered and be able to receive insurance benefits if you choose to be stupid enough to not wear a freaking helmet.

And like I keep saying...the numbers are there, from injuries AND head injuries caused by driving a motor vehicle. Staggering numbers. So like you keep saying, it is only COMMON SENSE...that wearing a helmet while driving a motor vehicle would affect those numbers drastically. So buckle it on. Only common sense.


No, it is not common sense...why do you think head injuries occur in drivers and passengers in four-wheeled vehicles? It's not because they're not wearing a helmet; it's because they're not wearing a seat belt!! And ...THAT's why wearing seat belts are now mandatory!

Duh???

TheAvenger

Apr 8 @ 9:47PM  
f people are stoopid enough to put hot ass coffee between their thighs while driving and no laws are passed to stop that stoopid shit.... why stop people from going bare headed?

Haven't we been through this before?

A. She wasn't driving.

B. The "hot-ass coffee" was hot enough to cause third-degree burns...way hotter than a safe serving temperature...and the restaurant had had complaints about it many times before, but chose to ignore it. If memory serves, she was found to be negligent to a very small percentage, but McDonald's was primarily at fault, because the coffee was too freaking hot!

Regardless of all that...why is it, when people are grasping at straws to argue their case, when they have no valid argument, they'll throw out some lame other, completely unrelated reason, to try to justify their point?

This is not a discussion about being careful with a hot cup of coffee; this is a discussion about wearing or not wearing helmets when riding a motorcycle. In the interest of clarity, could you please stick to the subject? Thanks.

Now...personally, I think it should be mandatory. However, as I said, in lieu of that, don't wear one if you don't want to, but don't come crying to me when you or someone you love is either dead or laid up with a severe brain injury.

My mother works for the director of a rehab hospital. She sees it every day. Several of the patients where she works have devastating brain injuries as a result of motorcycle accidents. They thought it was their "right" to not wear a helmet either.

DangerousCurves999

Apr 8 @ 10:01PM  
Oh yea almost forgot about the five year old twin that died here in a river 2 years ago, I helped look for his body.

Him and his brother could swim, and it was a family outing in a raft on a sunny day in the river... it had a lot of snags and downed trees that get swept down in floods. Family was quite happy that day playing in the river in and out of the boat when the coast guard safety officer came along and made then put life jackets on the kids.

With the extra floatation the current carried the kid down river and into an eddy which sucked him down and entangled him in a tree underwater where he drowned. It took a day to find him. His mom lost a child in the name of safety.
DarkKnightWalking

Apr 8 @ 10:17PM  
this is a discussion about wearing or not wearing helmets when riding a motorcycle. In the interest of clarity, could you please stick to the subject? Thanks.

YOU stick to the subject. This is not about motorcycles AT ALL. I asked you once nicely to stick to that already. Thanks.
themama

Apr 8 @ 10:42PM  
After I signed off here today.. I decided to put in one of my favorite cd's...
Pink floyd "The Wall" and as again as always as it takes me into my mind...
I thank god that it no longer is that way anymore..
Yes we have our laws but stupid laws we do not need. Or people trying to tell us how things should be...And only their way is the right way to be...
Think about this..
Do we really want it that way here?


On a final note this was a blog of just a lie that got us to really think how stupid that law would be to wear helmets in any 4 wheeled vehicle....

Good job DK


fantasyfactory

Apr 8 @ 10:50PM  
Yup! Good blog. And you are right (name not mentioned) it would take a head injury to prompt anyone to come crying to you. Why bother, you would never understand.
beefygoblin

Apr 9 @ 12:55AM  
I thought...oh come on, I know american cars are being manufactured alot worse these days, but thats no way to pump up safety numbers.

Well that and while I know congress is retarded (the majority of them didn't read the patriot act before signing it) could they be this dumb...and then I said to myself...yes, yes they could.


canuhelpme258

Apr 9 @ 1:14AM  
This is not a discussion about being careful with a hot cup of coffee; this is a discussion about wearing or not wearing helmets when riding a motorcycle. In the interest of clarity,



could you please stick to the subject?

YOU turned it into a discussion about laws to protect and babysit stupid people... a thing I am firmly against.
TheAvenger

Apr 9 @ 6:54AM  
I did not turn it into a general discussion about laws to babysit stupid people; you did. I kept on topic by saying that if people were too stupid to wear helmets, then there should be laws to mandate that they do.

Now, having said that, and also keeping close to the topic, I also mentioned that I think wearing seat belts should be mandatory (and, so far as I know, it is, in all 50 states now).

But this argument trying to staunchly stand up and defend your "rights" as an American citizen are really lame. For one thing, we are not guaranteed freedom to do as we damned well please, just because we are Americans. We do live by laws, some of which I don't agree with, but I still abide by them. I can't just go and do as I please...and neither can you. Or, you might, but be prepared to suffer the consequences if you do.

If anyone is too stupid or just too damned stubborn for their own good to understand why they should wear a helmet while riding a motorcycle, then the only alternative is to enact laws designed to protect them and also to help keep associated costs down.

But all you can think of is how someone is infringing upon your "rights." Driving a motorcycle is not a "right," by the way; it's a privilege.

In any case, none of this has to do with hot coffee, number one, and, number two, the woman was not at fault for the severe burns she received in the first place. She did nothing "stupid." She opened up the lid on a cup of coffee that spilled on her. The coffee was extremely hot..hot enough to cause third-degree burns. How many times have people taken lids off of coffee cups to put cream and sugar in it? It's reasonable to assume the coffee is hot, sure, so you try to be careful.It is not reasonable to assume that the coffee will be so hot you will get third-degree burns if it spills on you. So using the "hot coffee" argument and "stupidity" as it relates to laws and to this discussion is moot.








themama

Apr 9 @ 8:22AM  
Jeez.... This was a blog about Motorcycle helmets.....

I never seen that.....

As DK has said stay on topic here.........


TheAvenger

Apr 9 @ 8:52AM  
You never what? "Seen" that? What does that mean, "I never *seen* that?
themama

Apr 9 @ 9:03AM  


DK has put in here to stay on topic twice.. get the hint..... this is not a blog about motorcycle helmets the other one was...

this one was about only 4 wheeled vehicles..
and he did mention horses,bycycles,not motorcycles...

I posted on the other blog about motorcycle helmets a link to the laws of the states...where it belonged...

Sorry DK>>>>



fantasyfactory

Apr 9 @ 9:36AM  
But, but, but, they cant stop posting until they THINK they have won the argument, and has THE LAST WORD! Wah! Wah! Wah!
themama

Apr 9 @ 9:43AM  
@... FF"s comment....
bandengor

Apr 9 @ 11:31AM  
a helmet? Race car drivers need Helmets...so is that giving us all permission to drive like we own a F1?
canuhelpme258

Apr 9 @ 2:08PM  
if people were too stupid to wear helmets, then there should be laws to mandate that they do.

..and my point is if that logic is followed to its conclusion we can dictate what people do or don't do... I care about people, I care about our constitution more. We can not as a free nation look to legislation to protect people from themselves. That type of government would be totalitarianism... total government.

At some point in time we must say, you are an adult, you are responsible for yourself...
40DWM

Apr 9 @ 2:33PM  
I don't know 'bout the rest of ya'll......but this ain't a free nation.

Even in Texas, you'd have to show the STATE proof of medical insurance or current
drivers training for each motorcyle, before the state issures a helmet exemption. After the $5. money order clears, of course.

All any government agency really cares about, is money. As long as they get a few
bucks outta you, they'll 'give you permission' to be exempt.

Same with any other form of transportation. If there was a law requiring helmets for
anything on a public roadway.....there would be some beauracrat with his hand out,
and an exemption.
BKB1972

Apr 9 @ 2:40PM  
At some point in time we must say, you are an adult, you are responsible for yourself...

[/I][/B] Absolutly!!![B][I] But could it be said that we give too much power to our govenment? I'm not disagreeing with you at all Canu, & not to get off the subject DK, but I feel the government has too much power, is too big & as a people, we are losing some of our voice.
canuhelpme258

Apr 9 @ 3:48PM  
We might as well hijack the blog... no one cares look at the forums these days...

To a certain extent I would like to see the government do some things that make republicans scream socialism.

I mean they bailed out the sub-prime lenders but left the victims of the "deregualtion" hung out to lose their homes.. the predators win all around and the people lose.

Health care.. I want a European model... show proof you lived here and paid taxes for two years... there ya go... you can afford a doctor.

Stop runaway cost of living... tax incentives for companies that pay blue collar workers an annual cost of living increase that MATCHES the real cost of living...

I would go on but I think this blog was about anal sex with McCain.... or something....

TheAvenger

Apr 9 @ 4:04PM  
DK has put in here to stay on topic twice.. get the hint..... this is not a blog about motorcycle helmets the other one was...

this one was about only 4 wheeled vehicles..
and he did mention horses,bycycles,not motorcycles...

It was a deliberate attempt to invalidate the reason for the motorcycle helmet law. Or to suggest that, "motorcycle helmet law today, automobile helmet law tomorrow"...which is pretty absurd notion and has no basis in fact. He stated it was a fallacy, and that was obviously written to try to make a point. There was no valid point made, AFAIC.

This blog followed the motorcycle helmet law discussion and was, in fact, related to it. It's all relative, though. Helmets while driving vehicles..or even horses! Whatever. The point is, helmets help protect your BRAIN from serious injury.

In a CAR, however, you have seat belts and airbags to protect your BRAIN/HEAD from injury. Therefore, helmets are not NECESSARY in a car. (Except, as mentioned above, perhaps in professional races or maybe on the Autobahn. Or I-40 here in Nashville. LOL)

On a MOTORCYCLE, without a helmet, there's nothing betwixt you and your skull and the pavement. See the relevance?

Motorcycle with Helmet =

Motorcycle without Helmet =

Car with Seatbelts/Airbags =

Car without Seatbelts/Airbags =

Any questions?

Hence the relevancy of motorcycle helmets to this discussion.

DarkKnightWalking

Apr 9 @ 4:18PM  
For an "Absurd Notion" you certainly are active....


As to my motives, what does it truly matter? My blog, my rules. If I want to post a blog discussing the best way to BBQ kittens, I'll do that too, if I feel like it. And by my rules, I asked NICELY that it be kept to the topic I started, which is NOT about motorcycles. You're the one keeps dragging it into this discussion.

My whole point was to see how people felt if it should come to pass, that they decided to do such a thing. And dont think it wont be tried, either. Anything for the almighty dollar. And also to present a new viewpoint into some of the other issues people often have on their minds, such as yes, a totalitarian society.And it also put the shoe squarely on the other foot and therefore the question to all motorists, bicycle riders and horse riders, so as to give them proper perspective in matters such as this. Because I am firmly of the opinion that if you dont ride ( motorcycles), you dont really understand. So I leveled the field.

Any points of REFERENCE are well encouraged, any at all. Most of my blogs, I could give two shits if it gets jacked, this one in a rare event I asked everyone, NOT just you, to keep it somewhat to the topic. Again, ALL, please do so.

And if its that absurd to you, and silly, and whatever other loosely based insults you have thrown, then you are more than welcome to use your right to stop posting. Otherwise, carry on, everyone.
TheAvenger

Apr 9 @ 5:47PM  
For an "Absurd Notion" you certainly are active....

Whatever that means. I'm most active in discussions that call for rebuttal. I don't see the point in being in discussions in which everyone agrees with everyone else.

As to my motives, what does it truly matter? My blog, my rules. If I want to post a blog discussing the best way to BBQ kittens, I'll do that too, if I feel like it. And by my rules, I asked NICELY that it be kept to the topic I started, which is NOT about motorcycles. You're the one keeps dragging it into this discussion.

Yep, you're one of a handful here who thinks they have the right to dictate how people think and what they say and how they say it. The discussion is about HELMETS. And my contribution is very relevant to the discussion. What's more, I explained HOW it is relevant, and I did it in such a way that most anyone could understand. Don't like my contribution? Block me from responding. If I feel so compelled, then I'll make my own damned blog. Everything I'm saying makes perfect sense and is relevant. So if you can't take that, I'm sorry; too bad; so sad.

My whole point was to see how people felt if it should come to pass...

And so why did you bring it up to begin with? Particularly since it followed the discussion about motorcycle helmets?

And dont think it wont be tried, either. Anything for the almighty dollar

I don't think it will be tried, not anytime soon. Though, sure, I think it's possible...hell, anything's possible...but I have yet to see any serious discussion about it.

And also to present a new viewpoint into some of the other issues people often have on their minds, such as yes, a totalitarian society

Which is one reason it has relevance to the motorcycle helmet discussion, because, in effect, you're saying "motorcycle helmets today, car helmets tomorrow."

And it also put the shoe squarely on the other foot and therefore the question to all motorists, bicycle riders and horse riders, so as to give them proper perspective in matters such as this.

WHICH IS PRECISELY WHY I BROUGHT MOTORCYCLE HELMETS BACK INTO THE DISCUSSION!!!

Because I am firmly of the opinion that if you dont ride ( motorcycles), you dont really understand. So I leveled the field.

How did you level it?

I don't think one needs to ride a motorcycle to understand the simple logic of how helmets will protect your brain from injury a lot better than not wearing helmets would.

I understand the "freedom" of it; I understand the discomfort, the heat, etc. I don't understand how, all things considered, those minor inconveniences could be even remotely compared to having your brain squashed all over the pavement.

There are no two ways about it: wearing a helmet has more disadvantages than it does advantages.

Now, the only 'argument,' then, is whether or not laws should be enacted to protect people from their own stubbornness and/or stupidity.



Any points of REFERENCE are well encouraged, any at all. Most of my blogs, I could give two shits if it gets jacked, this one in a rare event I asked everyone, NOT just you, to keep it somewhat to the topic. Again, ALL, please do so.

My comments ARE on topic. Not my fault you can't see that. What you mean by "Keep on topic" is "You'd better agree with me."

And if its that absurd to you, and silly, and whatever other loosely based insults you have thrown, then you are more than welcome to use your right to stop posting. Otherwise, carry on, everyone.

I will use my right to post my opinion and rebut comments stating I'm not on topic when, in fact, I'm DIRECTLY on topic. Can't take the opposition? Limit your responses to only those who would kiss your ass. But I'm certainly not going to. My opinion stands.
DarkKnightWalking

Apr 9 @ 6:06PM  
WHICH IS PRECISELY WHY I BROUGHT MOTORCYCLE HELMETS BACK INTO THE DISCUSSION!!!

Again, its not about motorcycle helmets. Said it enough times, but heres my own quote:
the question to all motorists, bicycle riders and horse riders

How did I level the field? Like this.
And it also put the shoe squarely on the other foot and therefore the question to all motorists, bicycle riders and horse riders, so as to give them proper perspective in matters such as this.
Because MOST people have done one or all of these things. DUH. Try reading before u rebut.

Limit your responses to only those who would kiss your ass.
Nice insult to everyone, but unfortunately for you against me, it has approximately the effect of a gnat on an elephants ass. Being there are several who have opposed my view and weren't opposed whatsoever. I havent REFUTED your opinion at all. Just asked (nicely) for you to get OFF the motorcycle subject that is clear you are attempting to DRAG back into it. Rebut and oppose my views all you like, I enjoy it, and you have made some good points. But stay on topic, stop cross posting from the other blog.

Nor are your "Shout down, Bully, Disdainful" tactics having any effect either.

Bottom line...get back on topic, or I will delete all your comments. My blog, my rules, and damn sure my right to do so.
fantasyfactory

Apr 9 @ 7:42PM  
Funny how some people wont admit it, or for that matter, just dont get it. Somebody jerked your chain and you fell for it! You made a fool out of yourself, and everybody knows you never will admit it. So just keep commenting until you think you won, and got the last word. You are just making the point for them, you have been had!
TheAvenger

Apr 9 @ 8:47PM  
It's not a matter of "winning" or "losing," it's a matter of pointing out that my comments are relevant to the discussion. No one has made a fool out of me..that will be the day!

****

DK, YOU said:

And it also put the shoe squarely on the other foot and therefore the question to all motorists, bicycle riders and horse riders, so as to give them proper perspective in matters such as this.

Not sure what "proper perspective" you're getting at, other than to state that, like i said before, you're alluding to "today motorcycle helmet law, tomorrow car helmet law."

If not that, then what in the hell would have been the point of your post? It clearly was launched from the discussion about motorcycle helmets...

EVERYTHING I'm saying about motorcycle helmets is relevant to the discussion...

And if you think I give a rat's ass about you deleting my comments, think again. You ..of all people..are HARDLY intimidating! Delete the posts; I don't give two hoots in hell if you do. You're just being a big pussy-ass crybaby because you can't tell me what the fuck to say or how to say it and you refuse to see what's plain as the nose on your face and that is that my comments have EVERYTHING to do with the topic of this conversation!

If you delete comments and block me from commenting in this particular blog, just bear in mind I can start one of my own. You don't own me; you can't tell me what the fuck to do or not do. You seem to think you have some kind of superiority over me, but you don't. You may be king of your blogs, but you sure as hell can't tell me what to say or when or how to say it. LOL..



themama

Apr 9 @ 11:11PM  
Hey avenger what ever!!!!!!!!!
So you are saying any blog that sorta has the same heading would be related to others???
Hmmm...... I will have to remember that one.....
But lets see not always....

Again back on topic.. I will go la de da......
Hmmm now what were you talking about??? I forgot????LMAO>>>
You just never give up..

Hey everyone I see Hitler in the room sitting in the corner......
DarkKnightWalking

Apr 10 @ 1:49AM  
Oh please do continue. Your newly discovered profanities make you so endearing and OH so intelligent....../sarcasm off

Pathetic is what you are. Meow meow meow meow meow....is what you sound like. Not getting your way, so you drop down to epithets and gutter talk.
Start making your own blogs, AGAIN, Sheila. Not like its the first time.

Same old pattern, same old stupidity. Shows through every time.

So run run run onwards...and show everyone your true self. Continue to make a fool out of your own self, you certainly need no aid from anyone. I have already set you up a half dozen times, and you fell into it each and every time. Have it your special little way. You are only fooling yourself.

TheAvenger

Apr 10 @ 7:18AM  
LOL...your behavior and that of your faithful lapdogs shows how ignorant you are. The fact remains my comments were entirely relevant, yet, because you don't AGREE with them, and because you have no logical rebuttal for them, you run off on your "stay on topic" crybaby tangent. I AM on topic. I explained quite succinctly how my comments relate to the topic. If you can't grasp that information, then I'm sorry. But that doesn't make my comments any less valid.
TheAvenger

Apr 10 @ 7:41AM  
If you say I went off topic, then you'd have to say Canu did too, with these comments:


By that token and following that logic... we can pass laws saying condoms are mandatory for EVERYONE even monogamous couples.

We can say that EVERYONE wears a life vest in a wading pool.

We can say that you must wear safety goggle to wash dishes in your home.

I could go on and on... just because something is a really good idea.. does not mean we need to legislate it.

We are not living in a lawless society, I'm afraid...and no one has given up their life so that we could.
..and yet none of our brave men and women have made the ultimate sacrifice so that we could legislate every single aspect of our citizen's lives. I like your idea of raising premiums... however.. if you dig deep enough into all these "safety laws" you will already find that the over bloated insurance lobby is behind them... trimming out flow maximizing income.

You need to also understand what it means to be a biker... not a crotch rocketeer... a biker... that I'm sorry to say is where you'll never be able to see the other side of the coin here... its a life style you either live it or you don't.

In so far SUV drivers go... when the highways are clogged with those gas guzzlers who's tanks are dry and gas prices force even more families from their homes.. I hope you rethink the over sized piece of shit.

1. You just don't want someone telling you what to do is what it boils down to. I mean, what you're saying is, in effect, we shouldn't have ANY laws, or particularly any laws that help protect us from harm. So that means no seatbelt law, no speed limit law, no other traffic laws.

2. The military comments are irrelevant to the discussion as well.

3. Insurance premiums and medical costs are already exorbitant enough as it is...but I'm saying those who don't wear motorcycle helmets should have a choice: either have a helmet law...or don't have one. If the latter, either wear your helmet, or, if you don't, then be denied any right to insurance claims for head injuries that could be determined a helmet would have prevented.


4. What's there to "understand" about being a biker? You ride a bike. Whoopie.Doesn't make you special or different or in any way "enlightened." And if you ride without a helmet it makes you an ignorant biker who is too stubborn to realize how that helmet is protecting your skull and your brain from serious injury. It's really pretty simple.

5. And finally, my SUV is FAR from being a piece of shit. It is very nice and I take extremely good care of it. And when you start paying for the gas I put into it, then you can start complaining about me driving it. I have another smaller car to drive if/when I need to. But the fact I'm driving an SUV has nothing to do with putting people out of their homes.

Now, pretty much all of your comments have relevance to the original topic, but they went off far left field of what mine did...yet I don't see the DKW whining and crying about your comments, or about any other comments that talk about motorcycle helmets. Hmm..wonder why that is? lol

fantasyfactory

Apr 10 @ 8:09AM  
Yet another proud recipient of a triple charisma bypass operation.
TheAvenger

Apr 10 @ 11:08AM  
As would be anyone else who presents a logical and intelligent argument, right? LOL. Can't take the heat...well, you know the rest.
fantasyfactory

Apr 10 @ 11:23AM  
Your idea of logical and intelligent makes just about as much sense as Jumbo Shrimp.
fantasyfactory

Apr 10 @ 12:05PM  



Apr 9 @ 9:36AM
But, but, but, they cant stop posting until they THINK they have won the argument, and has THE LAST WORD! Wah! Wah! Wah!
TheAvenger

Apr 10 @ 12:07PM  
Oh, really? Do tell!

I'd really like to know what you think is so ignorant about wearing a helmet. And also what's so stupid about the way I express myself in writing?

Truth of the matter is, I don't have an ignorant cell in my brain. I don't claim to be a genius but I sure am smart enough to know that wearing a helmet is going to protect my head and brain from injury a lot better than not wearing one would!

Can't you do any better than resorting to your "I know you are, but what am I"? tactics?

DarkKnightWalking

Apr 10 @ 2:08PM  
Anyone who happens to agree with ANYONE, except for you....lapdog.
Intelligent thought.

Namecalling...
Schoolyard child intelligent.

ALL the comments you quoted? Were referring to YOURS that started them.
Truly intelligent response to what I had already asked you to do, especially in light I DIDNT remove the causative comments either. Replies ALL started by you.

This is your standard pattern of...you run out of things to use and civilly debate with, so then after that, you start running it into the ground, cause you dont wanna play anymore.

but for sake of the debate, here is a point:
I don't claim to be a genius but I sure am smart enough to know that wearing a helmet is going to protect my head and brain from injury a lot better than not wearing one would!
Then start wearing one in your 4 wheeled vehicle you drive. Because anyone with half a brain cell has to admit that seatbelts are not a miracle protector of their own making. Wearing a helmet would at LEAST increase your protection by a minimal 5% and probably a hell of a lot more.
It's only common sense.
fantasyfactory

Apr 10 @ 3:42PM  
ignorant- lacking in knowledge or training: unlearned.

Funny thing is I have a degree in Nuclear Medicine. And that was no walk in the park, especially considering the amount of nuclear physics and advanced technical math necessary to get that degree. No, the only ignorance I see here is the immature remarks that you make on this site.

ignorant biker? I have been riding motorcycles for fourty three years. That's probably longer than you have been changing your own underwear! How long have you been riding? And let's not count the couple of times you rode on the back as a passenger. How many times have YOU rode the bike? I am betting NONE. So by definition YOU are the ignorant biker.

My advice to you would be: Go to another blog and see if you cant make someone else as miserable as you. That does seem to be your goal in life.
canuhelpme258

Apr 10 @ 3:50PM  
. You just don't want someone telling you what to do is what it boils down to. I mean, what you're saying is, in effect, we shouldn't have ANY laws, or particularly any laws that help protect us from harm. So that means no seatbelt law, no speed limit law, no other traffic laws.

That would be anarchy.. I stated before I'm a socialist....

Join the dark side we have chocolate!
TheAvenger

Apr 10 @ 4:21PM  
Anyone who happens to agree with ANYONE, except for you....lapdog.
Intelligent thought.

Nooo...not that they happen to agree; that's not it at all. It's that they follow around blindly, sucking up and kissing ass, and making posts that make little to no sense whatsoever, just for the purpose of being antagonistic.

Namecalling...
Schoolyard child intelligent.

What's good for the goose...

ALL the comments you quoted? Were referring to YOURS that started them.
Truly intelligent response to what I had already asked you to do, especially in light I DIDNT remove the causative comments either. Replies ALL started by you.

Huh? Mind running that by me again? LOL.

This is your standard pattern of...you run out of things to use and civilly debate with, so then after that, you start running it into the ground, cause you dont wanna play anymore.

No, standard pattern is I get tired of the stupidity displayed and people's inability or unwillingness to come to logical conclusions.

But for sake of the debate, here is a point:
I don't claim to be a genius but I sure am smart enough to know that wearing a helmet is going to protect my head and brain from injury a lot better than not wearing one would!


Then start wearing one in your 4 wheeled vehicle you drive. Because anyone with half a brain cell has to admit that seatbelts are not a miracle protector of their own making. Wearing a helmet would at LEAST increase your protection by a minimal 5% and probably a hell of a lot more.
It's only common sense.

No, it isn't common sense. I referenced both seatbelts and airbags. So long as you have something to stop you (your head) from moving forward and hitting something that's stationery...like the steering wheel/dashboard, then you're about as protected as you need to be. It would be overkill (lol..for lack of a better word) to also have to use helmets in cars because they already have TWO devices (seatbelts and airbags) to help prevent head injury.

For you to suggest that is about as absurd as it would be for me to suggest that motorcycles should be equipped with seatbelts and airbags.

but sure...if you want to feel like you've made a valid point...fine...ALSO wearing a helmet in a vehicle would protect you from injury that much more. So would not driving altogether.

Doesn't negate the fact that wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle is better than not wearing one!
DarkKnightWalking

Apr 10 @ 5:03PM  
Same old shit. Motorcycle helmets, meow meow meowwww.....

Get some new material. And im not running anything else by you twenty five more times. Its already by far smacking you directly in the face, so playing dumb is an option you have worn to a nub.

Hmm.....seems I dont see me calling you anything, save for pathetic. Posts prove that well enough on their own.

I get tired of the stupidity displayed and people's inability or unwillingness to come to logical conclusions

Tough shit. Deal with it. Dont like it, DONT POST. How many people have told you that in as many complete ways as they could possibly come up with to present. Just because someone else does something YOU have issue with, doesnt give you the right to piss on their blogs. EVER. Air your side by alll means. But stop pounding and pounding and pounding, until the subject gets dropped. And you do that EVERY time.

Blogs are kind of like "Yards," with a party going on. If you like what you see, ya drop in, get a beverage and chill. If you see a discussion going on that interests OR want to say your piece, then you grab a beverage and join in WITH some respect and consideration, and manners. If you despise or hate what you see, ya go check out someone elses yard, cuz theres plenty to be found. Never have the right to just piss piss PISS all over someones yard. Nobody there OR here, needs a watchdog to protect us, nor has asked for one. A good rule many use, is dont do anything you wouldnt do in real life. And I can assure you...my yard is often filled with leather clad bikers or lifestylists, or both. Walk right on in and start your moral majority, negative, insulting MO you use here. I wont lift a finger. But...I know several ladies will at first tell you to fuck off. Then if you continue, they will be more than happy to take you around back and knock the shit out of you if you wish.

Advice you're not going to take. This I know. But do continue, you are amusing the hell out of me.
And your not getting the last word. I have ignored and rolled over for you long enough. That stops now.


Back to the topic.
So, your saying that a helmet in a 4 wheeled vehicle wont have an effect at all....statistically? riiiight. Roll that SUV you have. Which by the way IS top heavy and prone to rolling over. Cave in that top, and then tell me helmets wouldnt help. All the belts in the world and air bags wont be the cure-all then. And just so you know...airbags KILL, too....
Airbag Deaths
And they only work WITH a seatbelt.
TheAvenger

Apr 11 @ 5:14PM  
Same old shit. Motorcycle helmets, meow meow meowwww.....

Why are you making cat "noises"? That's really weird.

Get some new material. And im not running anything else by you twenty five more times. Its already by far smacking you directly in the face, so playing dumb is an option you have worn to a nub.

This isn't "material." It's plain and simple logic and opinion based on logic. Nothing more, nothing less. I don't know why you think you have to keep on reiterating your point because nothing you say is making any sense whatsoever. My comments have been totally on topic, so I don't know what your problem is, save for the fact you can't stand being upstaged by a "mere female." I wouldn't know how to play dumb if I tried.


Hmm.....seems I dont see me calling you anything, save for pathetic. Posts prove that well enough on their own.

You're being rude and sarcastic and condescending and that's quite enough to warrant a little name calling in return, if nothing else.

I get tired of the stupidity displayed and people's inability or unwillingness to come to logical conclusions

Tough shit. Deal with it. Dont like it, DONT POST. How many people have told you that in as many complete ways as they could possibly come up with to present. Just because someone else does something YOU have issue with, doesnt give you the right to piss on their blogs. EVER. Air your side by alll means. But stop pounding and pounding and pounding, until the subject gets dropped. And you do that EVERY time.

And just why the fuck do you think I do that every time? I don't do it without provocation and you and others who bitch about it are the ones who provoke the worst! No one is fucking pissing on anything; I'm presenting MY side to the subject. And you get pissed off because I present facts and opinions based on simple logic. Why that makes you upset and reduces you to acting like a three-year-old I'll never know. But it happens time and time again.

Blogs are kind of like "Yards," with a party going on. If you like what you see, ya drop in, get a beverage and chill. If you see a discussion going on that interests OR want to say your piece, then you grab a beverage and join in WITH some respect and consideration, and manners. If you despise or hate what you see, ya go check out someone elses yard, cuz theres plenty to be found. Never have the right to just piss piss PISS all over someones yard. Nobody there OR here, needs a watchdog to protect us, nor has asked for one. A good rule many use, is dont do anything you wouldnt do in real life.

If you offer up a discussion then all points of view should be welcomed. And if you can't take the fact someone disagrees with you and proves you wrong, and demonstrates how you are wrong by providing facts and relevant theories, then act like a child and stomp your little feet and block the person from responding in your blog. It's as simple as that. Then you can continue to make fun of people by bringing up the topic in various ways in other blogs you create on your own and/or respond to in others' blogs, and I can make up my blogs which continue to refute and disprove and discredit you.

And I can assure you...my yard is often filled with leather clad bikers or lifestylists, or both.

So? WTF does that have to do with anything?

Walk right on in and start your moral majority, negative, insulting MO you use here. I wont lift a finger. But...I know several ladies will at first tell you to fuck off. Then if you continue, they will be more than happy to take you around back and knock the shit out of you if you wish.

Moral majority? LOL...I'm hardly what you'd call a member of the "moral majority." Even if I was, WTF does THAT have to do with wearing motorcycle helmets to protect your head/skull/brain from traumatic injury in the event of an accident? It's ONLY COMMON SENSE!! (Did you perhaps receive a head injury yourself at one time, while not wearing a helmet? I really have to wonder.

And it doesn't surprise me in the least you'd "cybersick" your little female "minions" on me..you're too much of a pussy to do anything about it yourself. Having said that, LADIES do not "kick the shit" out of people, particularly not another lady.

Advice you're not going to take. This I know. But do continue, you are amusing the hell out of me. And your not getting the last word. I have ignored and rolled over for you long enough. That stops now.

Well, you are somewhat amusing as well, but, really, I feel kinda sorry for you. You are really a lonely little man who has to feel validated by pretending to be a KISA, yet are nothing but a misogynistic little wimp who can't take being upstaged by a woman who has done nothing but present a logical argument to your viewpoint. It's sad, really.

Back to the topic.

So, your saying that a helmet in a 4 wheeled vehicle wont have an effect at all....statistically? riiiight.

No, I never did say that. Go back and read my comments again, this time with clarity.

Roll that SUV you have. Which by the way IS top heavy and prone to rolling over. Cave in that top, and then tell me helmets wouldnt help. All the belts in the world and air bags wont be the cure-all then. And just so you know...airbags KILL, too....
Airbag Deaths
And they only work WITH a seatbelt.

I know SUVs are top heavy and are prone to rolling over but they don't just roll over all by themselves, yanno. I did have a rollover accident in my little Ford, however, and the seatbelt kept my head and body from hitting anything. I would surmise the seatbelt in the SUV would do the same thing.

Airbags have been known to kill (I believe typically children) but that is very rare. And as far as your comment about only working with a seatbelt, yep, you're right.But I'm not sure why you brought that up, anyway, because I wear my seatbelt no matter where I go..one mile down the road, or cross-country trip.

Now, do you want to explain to me why you're acting like such an immature brat because I simply point out the FACT that wearing a helmet while riding a motorcycle is better than not wearing one? I personally believe there should be a helmet law and I've shown statistics that prove to you that is true, not to mention, like I said, it's just plain, old, common sense! Tha
TheAvenger

Apr 11 @ 5:18PM  
That you don't want to mess up your pretty pouffy pompadour by wearing one doesn't change that fact in the least little bit.

You want me to continue? Cuz I can, you know.


DarkKnightWalking

Apr 11 @ 5:34PM  
Mommy mommy....help, the bad lady is typing at me....


You're funny, for a delusional dictator....please continue, oh pathetic, weak, worthless one....

You want me to continue? Cuz I can, you know.


Oh, I am sure you will. Just like last time....beat beat beat......
NEIGHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That the best you got? ROFL......
MEOW!!!!!!!!!!!!! I am kitten, hear me roar......
TheAvenger

Apr 11 @ 5:41PM  
LOL...you're continuing to prove my point, which is really quite amusing.

DarkKnightWalking

Apr 11 @ 5:54PM  
Only proving to yourself, rofl.....EVERYONE else thinks far differently...


Your so vain....
Betcha think this site is about you....about you.....

Poor deluded creature....

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