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  swyeter

Some cannot distinguish between opinion, fact and fantasy. Anyone can have an opinion but it should be based on some semblance of fact. Without some semblance of fact an opinion more often resembles, or is, fantasy. Even opinions based on fact do not make them an absolute.

As example; if someone were to say, “In my opinion I believe the Earth is flat” most would say that is an opinion based on fantasy. But if someone were to say, “In my opinion I believe the Earth is spherical” most would say that is an opinion based on fact.

Actually, the Earth’s true shape is oblate spheroid; oblate because it is slightly oblong and spheroid because it is almost, but not quite, a sphere. Its diameter is slightly larger at the equator, approximately 12,756 km, than its diameter around the Poles, approximately 12,714 km. Now that may not be a significant difference, but it is fact that the Earth is not an absolute sphere.

So how does any of this apply to AMD. Take a topic that can now be subjective or perceptive; “Which political party would be better at leading the United States during the next four years?”

I would expect any debate on this topic to be highly subjective or perceptive but ones opinion should still be based in some semblance of fact. It should be based and debated on fact and as I have stated in the past that is a problem on AMD. Seems whenever someone cannot debate on facts or starts losing the debate they instead attack the individual. To further complicate matters you often see friends from one or both sides join in, not to debate but attack.

This is further compounded when ones facts are based in perception or ones perception is based in fact. An example of this fact/perception relation can be seen in some of the turmoil we have witnessed lately on AMD. Recently an individual announced they had been appointed as moderator. Then blogs were deleted, forum threads disappeared, members gone and finger pointing everywhere. Even after the individual announced that they had resigned as a result of all this controversy. Now the perception is, or was, that this was all a result of that one individual. Whether it is or was it is now fact based on perception and/or perception based on fact. As a result anytime anything happens on AMD this individual will be associated with its credit or blame whether it is fact or perception because regardless of fact the perception of many is that the individual is still and forever will be a moderator and that is “a fact” though it may or may not be “the fact”. That is a prime example of fact by perception or perception by fact.

I must admit that when all this started I perceived things on AMD to be slanted more towards one side than the other. But I must admit that I have now observed what appears to be a leveling of the playing field. I first noted this right after someone commented that, “We have another moderator and it is not who we think it is”. Since then I have noticed what I believe to be a subtle difference in things though others may not have witnessed the same.

But now I see a new trend developing and that is individuals are seeing what they believe to be themselves in blogs and threads that may, in fact, or may not be about them. They see a comment that may or may not have anything to do with themselves but they believe it to be an innuendo about them. Now unless it calls them out by name it is only their perception and we have already seen what perceptions can do on AMD.

Now if you want to continue to stir a pot of shit every time you see what you perceive to be an innuendo about you make a negative comment in return on the forum or blog or go and write your own. BUT, if you would prefer instead for AMD to return to some sort or semblance to what it was when I joined a year ago then accept it for a perception, ignore it, let it go and move on. Perceptions left to their own means have a way of dying; perceptions fed just continue to expand and grow.

Now for one, it is my personal perception that individuals who see themselves in other’s writings are either vain or insecure and individuals that keep stirring pots do so because it is their nature. BUT then again, that is just a, or my, perception. Just as it is my opinion that some people are shit stirrers and that may or may not be fact but when you apply the old adage, “If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and swims like a duck then it must be a duck” then they must be a stirrer. That too is perception but their “duck” characteristics may prove it to be fact.

JMHO

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wtxman

Apr 5 @ 5:14PM  
The earth is an oblate spheroid; I did not know that.
clickedanad2

Apr 5 @ 5:18PM  
some share opinions
some share thoughts
and some share nada
they have not brought
enough for the entire class
GSpotGina

Apr 5 @ 5:20PM  
But now I see a new trend developing and that is individuals are seeing what they believe to be themselves in blogs and threads that may, in fact, or may not be about them. They see a comment that may or may not have anything to do with themselves but they believe it to be an innuendo about them. Now unless it calls them out by name it is only their perception and we have already seen what perceptions can do on AMD.

Hey! Just because I said some shit in the ass to mouth blog don't mean I'm a shit-stirrer!

(Oh... you mean you weren't talking about me?)
<--- taking foot out of mouth
ladybootscooter

Apr 5 @ 5:22PM  
Damn fine blog! Shiny green thingy to ya!
rescueremedy

Apr 5 @ 5:24PM  
Very good blog ... ....Leaving a kudo ...
themama

Apr 5 @ 5:26PM  
Mighty good blog here>>>
Leaving you a greeny thing on the table...
TheAvenger

Apr 5 @ 5:32PM  
I personally don't see the point in people pointing fingers in such an obscure way. In fact, why air dirty laundry here in the blogs for God and everyone to see? As bad as it is to be so accusatory, I think it's much worse to throw out vague innuendos and then automatically cry "You're paranoid if you think this blog is about you!" If one is going to make accusations in a "public" forum, well, at least have the freaking balls to come out and say precisely who it is you're speaking of.

Just to be on the safe side, no, this reply is not about anyone, at all, specifically. Not here in the blogs, not in the forums, not in private email, not in chat, not on this site, not on the internet, not in my country, my state, my city, my neighborhood, nor in my house, nor in my general direction.

Just making sure that's crystal..lol.

DarkDesires99

Apr 5 @ 5:33PM  
Magnetic north is moving too….now I’m sure that the mysterious “Moderator” had something to do with that too!
Now in all seriousness this is a good blog and brings up some valid points.
ThePurpleProphet

Apr 5 @ 5:40PM  
Swyeter, I thought we were friends. I know you weren't really talking about the earth but in fact you were referring to my gut. Why? I've done nothing to you. And then you say I'm living in a fantasy world. You are a dwarf with a war hammer until you morph to something else. And to top it all off you call me a "duck". I may never recover. My next blog is going to be about you and how mean you are.
jcarolina

Apr 5 @ 5:57PM  
I'm leaning toward the insecure angle. It's my belief, opinion, and/or fantasy that insecure people are the root of most of the problems here.

They see themselves in blogs everywhere.

They create situations that exist solely in their minds, then act upon their delusions, leaving most folks perplexed and annoyed.

They don't like to see other, more secure people having fun and getting along in society, so they cause trouble.

They'll yell at you if you don't write them back within seconds of getting a message from them, as if your function on AMD is to await their mail so you can reply.

I think a lot of them are closet basers. That's crackheads to some. They exhibit paranoid tendencies and are always looking for something that isn't there.
loveableone

Apr 5 @ 6:02PM  
and a pretty green thing for ya!
redbronze

Apr 5 @ 6:08PM  
perhaps too many voices in their head.. SMile...
NachoBaby

Apr 5 @ 7:14PM  
The sky is BLACK! Wanna argue that one?? Hiya Swy.
DarkKnightWalking

Apr 5 @ 7:39PM  
Butbutbutbut....

Can't I fantastically factual?

*Runs like hell*


Good blog, Bro...greenie for ya. No no...ya cant smash it to get to the creamy center....
soft_touch938

Apr 5 @ 7:41PM  
Ahhhhhhhh I just live in my own little world but that's ok...they know me here.

The wars rage and I raise the volume on my music and sing my own songs and march to my own drummer, sit in my chair and weave my stories by the glow of the fireworks and wonder at it all. Ahhhhhh yes...ignorance IS bliss. I'll stick to my rockin' chair and dream of wanna fucks and romantic rendevous and lovers I have known.....
StraddleMyNose

Apr 5 @ 8:59PM  
Good blog.

Like for example if I say that in my opinion liberals suck ass, well, that would be my opinion, right.

But if I state that voting Republican would be a smart thing to do, that would also be my opinion, but also fact! lol
canuhelpme258

Apr 5 @ 9:13PM  
I would expect any debate on this topic to be highly subjective or perceptive but ones opinion should still be based in some semblance of fact
Or to suit one's cause; as you now have this related to AMD.. facts can be thrown out the window; lies and gossip can be repeated as fact. The innocent can be corrupted by the guilty to agree to truth by consensus and ostensibly pervert perceptions of what has actually transpired.

But now I see a new trend developing and that is individuals are seeing what they believe to be themselves in blogs and threads that may, in fact, or may not be about them. They see a comment that may or may not have anything to do with themselves but they believe it to be an innuendo about them. Now unless it calls them out by name it is only their perception and we have already seen what perceptions can do on AMD.
Normally I agree and lt water flow 'neath the bridge... however I doubt the person and/or people my beef is with are blaming oh say Mrwinkie and funguy4sex ... when they place the blame at the feet of two unnamed individuals... I mean seriously I am no idiot...

perceptions fed just continue to expand and grow.
I would add that basing one's perceptions on a lie are the root of the problem here.. a lie propagated by one sad excuse for human DNA.


Now in proving I'm not an idiot I see how you are throwing a wide blanket to cover a large group.. fine... I chose to use your blog as a soap box; just asyou can chose to delete my comment as well as the one that made sense... because well that woman really does have a beef I guess... Just as I do... I mean what kind of asshat deletes his own profile so he can tell everyone someone else did it?

Oh probably the same kind that actually use their essay to insult people...

I've rambled... but somewhere in there is the fact that more than facts and reality shape perception... it is also shaped by stupid shit people tell you, when you didn't know exactly hat was going on....

Helluva shirt sleeve tug.
canuhelpme258

Apr 5 @ 9:21PM  
P.S. I think your missing thread went thata way -------->
canuhelpme258

Apr 5 @ 9:31PM  
I must admit that when all this started I perceived things on AMD to be slanted more towards one side than the other. But I must admit that I have now observed what appears to be a leveling of the playing field. I first noted this right after someone commented that, “We have another moderator and it is not who we think it is”. Since then I have noticed what I believe to be a subtle difference in things though others may not have witnessed the same.
Oh and let me add.. your first perceptions were based on ONE side of a story... as you only appear to frequent with ONE side of that story... so its natural that you only get the earful from them...

Again.. no one asked anybody about much did they.. just assumed that they were hearing the gospel truth...

Now your perceptions are based on what? I mean really there are as many rumors lies and innuendos floating around as there are friggin fake profiles...

Again have you asked all the people involved... or just start bitching?

If it was you in this place how would you handle it? Personally I stopped giving two shits and an apple when people who've known me a helluva long time actually believed the most absurd lies ever told about me... So I intend to make good on my last promise to an ugly creature.

Oh I rambled again... though I stil intend to u
greeneyes66

Apr 5 @ 10:09PM  
I am new here but it seems you describe a basic flaw within this system...that is that we are all human and make mistakes? Seems as though some try to control here from my observations whether intended or not. Others do not like it...just my opinion from reading a few blogs to get my feet wet. Seems all very normal to me. What do you expect when you get a group of strangers together in a cyber room??? My experience on other sites, thats for sure. No utopia here or anywhere.
buatbu

Apr 5 @ 10:20PM  
This is funny
Lisa46

Apr 5 @ 10:57PM  
Isn't it amazing how some get agravated when someone else has a difference of opionion?? See I even forgot how to spell it

lays greenie on the table as I leave by the bedroom door
nawtikitty

Apr 6 @ 8:43AM  
Swyeter

Good blog

Kudo's to you..

swyeter

Apr 6 @ 3:54PM  
The following comment was provided by SxzeNewMe. Somehow it was deleted, how or by whom I do not know but it is not my nature to censor or delete comments unless they are hatred in nature or attacking individuals other than myself. This was copy/pasted form the email notification I received when she commented. I believe most know that copy/paste can be altered but she can confirm or deny it is in fact intact as she submitted. That is not meant to imply finger pointing etc only fact.
Swyeter

I can definitely agree with you on most everything in this blog. I would like to make a couple notes and an exception:
Now unless it calls them out by name it is only their perception and we have already seen what perceptions can do on AMD
Generally, this could be considered true, but with enough information (hints) it can be quite apparent if a specific person(s) or situation is known to enough people - and just how many that may include may never really be known. An example of that was a blog I wrote when I saw a former friend's profile here and thought I was the only one who knew who it was. When I posted a blog about it, without naming the person or giving any identifying information, those who were "in the know" about certain things I said instantly knew who I was talking about. So, this quoted statement is not entirely accurate - or even fair.

Another example is when someone takes a direct quote from forum posting less than 12 hours old and copies and pastes it into a blog for the purpose of ranting (it was tagged "rant") and say that it's not targeting someone because it doesn't name them is complete bullshit. When what is said in private emails is posted, it's not always apparent, and when talking about something only 2 people really know about, it's not always apparent without someone stepping forward to say - who said what. But to quote a public forum in a blog is very different, and those who can't see that are just plain ignorant.
ynot7769

Apr 6 @ 7:37PM  
well i'd be interested in knowing where her comment was before it got deleted........course i could ask what the fuck she's doing talkin bout my woman again but fuck...thats just one more waste of time....the fuckin douchebaggery here is running rampant and those who see themselves as the saviors are becoming the fuckin problem........see like you I REMEMBER the last year..sure no moderator and yano what...NONE NEEDED............... so why did we need one all of a sudden?? WHAT NEW ?? let us examine this.........think ...what changed.....

fuckin facts are simple and don't require much to figure it out.........course you must have the ability to look at yourself also not see ONLY others as the problem....otherwise ........there is no fixing it............
SxzeNewMe

Apr 6 @ 7:47PM  
course i could ask what the fuck she's doing talkin bout my woman again but fuck

I'll answer that for you, Steve - I'm doing whatever the fuck I want. You do not intimidate or scare me. YOU can leave ME alone.
ynot7769

Apr 6 @ 7:56PM  
I'll answer that for you, Steve - I'm doing whatever the fuck I want. You do not intimidate or scare me. YOU can leave ME alone.

well i haven't DONE anything TO you ......maybe this is more of the perception thing he speaks of.......
SxzeNewMe

Apr 6 @ 7:59PM  
I'm talking about the relentless snide comments, innundoes, and accusations. I've not done anything to anyone...not you, not her, not anyone. So what if I mention her. I've kown her for 7 years - we worked together and she dated my son. Yes, she did. GET OVER IT.
swyeter

Apr 6 @ 9:35PM  
wtxman ~ See you can learn nonsexual things on AMD.

clickedanad2 ~ you are correct and it is my opinion that the result is because some did not come to class or slept thru it.

GSpotGina ~ but Gina, you looked so sexy with a foot in your mouth.

ladybootscooter, rescue remedy, themama, loveableone, redbronze & nawtikitty ~ Thanks, I love you all.

TheAvenger ~ I agree but I am beginning to believe that finger pointing for some is just another way to stir the pot.

DarkDesires99 ~ are you telling me that my compass isn’t pointing north.

ThePurpleProphet ~ if I had been referring to your shape I would have said “pear shaped”; after all pear is a shape. Now leave me and my hammer out of this before I conk you on the head with it. Also, I did not call you a duck, what I said was that you were as flat-footed as a duck. If you do blog about me make sure you spell my name correctly.

jcarolina ~ I am not sure the angle but you are correct that a lot of people exhibit paranoia tendencies in that they see themselves negatively in too many things on AMD. If you look hard enough you can find whatever it is you are looking for (not speaking or you personally but some in general). Whether it is the face of Jesus on a piece of toast, Elvis at the mall, UFOs unloading little green men on your front lawn or even yourself in this or any other AMD blog, thread, etc.

NachoBaby ~ now I am convinced you are squirrelly. Everyone knows the sky is BLUE. The real debate is if it is U of Ky or Carolina blue. (Dayum, now that’s going to start another pot of it)

DarkKnightWalking ~ No you cannot be fantastically factual but you can be factual fantastically. And you better run because you still have not returned my horse or the lance you “borrowed” last year.

soft_touch938 ~ Yeah but I know you are just secretly waiting for the right moment to do a coup and take over AMD. Actually I have noted that if you do not have something of value to say you are generally silent and I respect you in that you never seem to stir anything.

StraddleMyNose ~ Now you have gotten me totally confused. I had formulated an opinion based on your former posts and comments that you were a conservative Republican. However, from your alleged propensity to suck ass are you now saying you are a liberal Democrat?

Buatu ~ Yeah, AMD is a laugh a minute, you just got to look in the right places.

Lisa46 ~ It is like someone said else where, “opinions are like asses” but I would like to add that some do not stink as much as others. Come to think of it some people get aggravated when you smack them on the ass while others don’t so that would be another similarity between the two.
swyeter

Apr 6 @ 9:36PM  
canuhelpme258 ~ Not sure the best way to respond but since you made three comments I will take them individually.

Response Comment # 1 ~ Now I must admit you have me perplexed. I am led to wonder if you actually read and understood the point of my blog or if you are just using it solely as an opportunity to get on your soap box. I wrote my blog in an attempt to try and point out that some cannot distinguish between opinion, fact and fantasy. That opinion is generally what one wants to believe whether it is based on fact or fantasy. But too often perception becomes part of the equation and while perception is neither fact nor fantasy it generally has a basis originated by one or the other.

Now I, for one, tend to give everyone the benefit of the doubt and take them for their word until proven different. That is why I gave you the benefit of the doubt when all the accusations and finger pointing was being done. What I tried to express when I alluded to you was that you have become a victim of the “damned if you did and damned if you did not” syndrome all because of perception; not fact. So how does that differ from your following comment to me?
Or to suit one's cause; as you now have this related to AMD.. facts can be thrown out the window; lies and gossip can be repeated as fact. The innocent can be corrupted by the guilty to agree to truth by consensus and ostensibly pervert perceptions of what has actually transpired.
Now I am equally perplexed by the following statement.
Normally I agree and lt water flow 'neath the bridge... however I doubt the person and/or people my beef is with are blaming oh say Mrwinkie and funguy4sex ... when they place the blame at the feet of two unnamed individuals... I mean seriously I am no idiot...
I do not have any idea who or what the frig you are talking about. I can only guess that somehow you have misconstrued my comments to somehow be directed at yourself, they were not. It was a general statement about people in general on AMD; nothing more nothing less.
Now if your first parts of your first comment had me perplexed I the final part had me totally bewildered. You took one part of one sentence “perceptions fed just continue to expand and grow” and turned it into an opportunity to get on a soap box and rant about something that I do not know what you are referring to nor do I care so I am not looking or asking for an explanation. You stated that I was throwing a wide blanket to cover a large group. Like I already stated; this was just a general statement about people in general on AMD and I was not inferring to any individual or group. The closest thing that makes sense about your comments that I gather or understand is that you “rambled”.

swyeter

Apr 6 @ 9:40PM  
Response Comment # 2 ~ Now this one I do find interesting. For those individuals that have never posted a blog on the right hand side of the screen by a commenter’s comment there is a trash can icon that the blog’s owner can click on to delete the comment.
P.S. I think your missing thread went thata way -------->
So when I see your comment and the little arrow pointing at the trash can am I to assume that to mean that you are acknowledging that you did in fact delete the thread when you were a moderator. If so then it brings in to question a whole lot of allegations that I gave you the benefit of the doubt on. First the thread was deleted after you stated you had resigned as a mod, second you denied having any involvement in removing the thread. So is that untrue? Were you still a mod after you said you resigned (or did you even actually resign) and did you or did you not have any involvement with its removal or is that just a juvenile attempt to “rattle” my cage?
swyeter

Apr 6 @ 9:41PM  
Response Comment # 3 ~ You wrongfully made an assumption that when I stated “I perceived” meant I based that what someone had told me, I did not. It was what I had “perceived”; as in observed, saw, noticed, took in. It was not “perception”; as in a view, opinion, slant.
What I perceived/observed was two groups sniping at each other.
What I perceived/observed was one group started to disappear.
What I perceived/observed was the other group remained in place.
What I perceived/observed was one group’s blogs disappeared.
What I perceived/observed was one group’s blogs remained in place.
What I perceived/observed was one group’s threads disappeared.

So no, I did not ask anybody I just sat and observed; nothing more nothing less. Just for the record what I perceived was my own personal observations and not based on what I heard from either group. I just now went back and reviewed my friends list and find it ironic that I have, or had, individuals on my list from both groups. Even more ironic is how many of those same individuals are also on your friends list. Individuals on my list are there because either # 1 they asked me to be on theirs and I approved them or # 2 I first sent them an email asking if I could add them to mine. The individuals I asked were for a variety of reasons, the most common reason was if they wrote and posted articles of interest or things that intrigued me; not to be confused with them writing things I agreed with. One individual I asked if I could add her to my list was because she has one of the finest asses on AMD. But the whole purpose was not to see how many I individuals I could add to a friends list but to be able to track and find things they wrote or to quickly pull up their pic and gawk at their ass.

You asked how I would handle it. I think I would first post a blog in an attempt to have people look within themselves to see if they were finger pointing and accusing individuals of things based on perception and if they were to try and get over it and let it go, to move on with life, in essence be the “bigger person”. Second I think I would blog about trying not to see yourself in any and every thing you saw written on AMD and if you thought someone was writing about you try and be the bigger person and ignore it so it would die and not feed it so it would grow, mushroom or spill out into other areas.

Shit I already did that or was that only MY PERCEPTION.

I also have a new perception and that is if you truly did not give, as you stated, “two shits and an apple when people who've knew believed the most absurd lies ever told about you” you would not still be, as you also stated, “rambling on and intending to continue to do so”.
swyeter

Apr 6 @ 9:44PM  
SxzeNewMe ~ As to the first part of your comment your comment I agree that hints etc may be included that would provide one with “clues” where they could identify themselves or others. It is also true as I replied to jcarolina. If one wants to and looks hard enough they can find whatever it is they are looking for. Hell I think I even saw the winning lottery numbers once, damn shame I didn’t buy a ticket.
As for the second part I had to go look and find what you were referring to in the Food For Thought blog because I had not seen nor read it when I posted my blog so one blog had nothing to do with the other but I do see how you could believe differently. When I read the other blog what I saw was someone took a comment that had been made by a gold card member that basically stated that freeloaders on AMD should quit complaining about freebies and stop expecting to have say over how the site is ran. They then threw out a comment about opinion and should everyone have a say on AMD, freebies and gold members. I did note that your comment to this blog was that you “believed it was incredulous that people could not be happy with a shit load of free stuff”. However, I also noted with interest that your response was entirely different on another blog Saturday Buffet that discussed this same freebie/gold member issue but in greater detail and more eloquently. Does this mean your opinion differs according to the author or is that just MY PERSCEPTION.
swyeter

Apr 6 @ 9:44PM  
Just for the record and to clear up any misconceptions or misunderstanding. I am an individual and as such I am not a follower. I do not take sides in witch hunts, individual fist fights or issues when I do not have a “dog in the fight”. The sole purpose of my blog was a more tactful and polite way of saying, “If you live in a glass house you shouldn’t be throwing stones” and “Anyone who constantly and/or consistently stirs shit is a shit stirrer and are best ignored else they will just continue to gather more shit to stir”. I also suggested that the duck principle could be applicable in identifying the stirrers. Now it is JMHO but I think I may have discovered some ducks. Then again, that’s just MY PERCEPTION.
swyeter

Apr 6 @ 10:14PM  
ynot ~ Being a memebr only a year I am not familiar with all of AMD's past history but I agree with what you say because it does seem that at some point the inmates started running the asylum. Not sure why we needed them but it happened. But as you say unless/until individuals start to look within before looking to place ALL the blame on others I do not think it will get any better; especially when you have individuals who, by nature, only want to stir the pot.
NachoBaby

Apr 6 @ 10:28PM  
Actually, just to be a squirrely critter, the sky IS black, it's just a reflection of the sun on water molecules in our atmosphere that make it look blue.

But ok .. I'll go with blue.. as long as it's 'sky blue'.
swyeter

Apr 6 @ 10:42PM  
Nacho I can go with sky blue as long as it is a dark blue (UK). Now as for it actually being black I'll bet you be trying to tell me next that it is possible to bend a light beam.
StraddleMyNose

Apr 6 @ 10:45PM  
No, not at all, I was strictly going with your little "Opinion, Fact, or Fantasy" part, not the perception part. I didn't read the whole blog because I didn't have time, and didn't take the time. It was also a little long winded so I scanned through what I felt was the important parts that jumped out and made the blog what it was.

VOTE REPUBLICAN!
rescueremedy

Apr 6 @ 10:50PM  
You are welcome Swyeter ..... I thought it was a good blog ....and I lubs u tooo
SxzeNewMe

Apr 6 @ 11:20PM  
The entire comment that was the topic of that “Food for Thought” blog – which originated in the http://www.adultmatchdoctor.com/thread_6_5536_3/Petition_Time.html petition time thread, was this:

I'm amazed at how many people complain about something that's free. What; it's not enough to have a profile, can post pics, search and browse, email, wink, blog, comment, and start forum threads...for free? Now they need to have say over how the site is run?

I'd just like to see rules more uniformly applied - however strictly or leniently it's done. My blog was deleted in a matter of days while other blogs by others that blatantly violated rules were allowed to stand for weeks...and in one case nearly a year and a half. That's just wrong.

Your interpretation was this: “freeloaders on AMD should quit complaining about freebies and stop expecting to have say over how the site is ran.”. Now, not only did I not use any kind of derogatory or demeaning language such as “freeloaders”, but nor did I differentiate between “freeloaders” from “gold card members” at all. Each service listed is one enjoyed by all members.

With respect to the difference in comments between the two blogs, the entire context of the comment was different. The above quoted comment was in a forum where several people were complaining that their forum threads had been deleted, and they felt it was wrong. My comment in that thread was my opinion about those comments - some of which were made by gold members. The comment in sundance’s blog was of an entirely different context. I don’t even speak to he same things, so I’m not sure where you are drawing a parallel. None-the-less, I think this illustrates quite well how my words have been twisted (and added) and taken out of context to support someone else’s negative perception of me.

One other thing. You said;

I did note that your comment to this blog was that you “believed it was incredulous that people could not be happy with a shit load of free stuff”.

The entire sentence was:

Mad was far from what I was feeling; incredulous that people can't be happy with a shitload of free stuff still isn't good enough, but not mad.

Since you used quotes, you indicated a word for word quote when you actually changed my words. So here is yet another example of how my words have been changed and spliced to suit someone else’s perception of what I said. It’s one thing to glean something from someone’s words, but it’s an entirely different thing to change them and give what was said different meaning.

For the record, incredulous is an adjective that means:

1. Skeptical; disbelieving: incredulous of stories about flying saucers.
2. Expressive of disbelief: an incredulous stare.

People here think it's a problem that I found it hard to believe that people felt this way? Y'all got issues.
redbronze

Apr 7 @ 12:41AM  
The cat is preggers.. Fact... The fantasy is did she have fun on those few days of estrus or did she just follow her bodies orders, ya know that male cats have hooks in their penis.. OUCH...

Oh yeah does any one want to pre-order a kitten, sex and color yet to be determined, mom is a tabby calico, so the colors could be all over the place...
TheAvenger

Apr 7 @ 1:57AM  
That anyone is able to (or even wants to) keep up with all this shit is amazing, to me. WTF CARES about what happened a year ago here? Or a day ago, for that matter? The only thing stated that would really be significant enough to remember would be something that was said that was libelous to the point of truly damaging someone's business or personal representation and was going to be used as "evidence" in a pending lawsuit. And even then I'd have to copy it and save it somewhere; I wouldn't remember it specifically.

And even this blog, though painstakingly written, along with several of the comments that follow, leaves certain people, namely me, going "WTF are you guys talking about???"

He said/she said/they said ..they didn't say...

WHAT? I mean, hell, if you're going to post accusations and such in a forum where there are other people besides the parties involved in the dispute, you all can at least make it a little more entertaining by providing a few more details.

Sometimes I read this stuff and I almost feel like I'm listening in on a private telephone conversation, thinking, "Obviously these people don't know they're on a party line."

Do you know that there are other people on this site and in these blogs (even if not participants, but merely spectators) who not only don't have a clue what/who this mud-slinging is about, but who also don't give two hoots in hell?

To me, these seem to be private matters meant for private discussion. Either that or, like i said, let everyone in on the fun!

I mean, I know you're not allowed to post names...but I think that also is meant to include not making reference to specific people or events in an effort to get shit stirred up for the purpose of creating havoc and disharmony in these forums.

Hence the ME, ME, ME blog I wrote...

I mean, does anyone realize that's what makes up most of the discussion in these blogs? They're typically either comprised of people talking about how wonderful they are, hot hot they are, how everyone else is a jealous biatch because of how wonderful and hot they are, or how virile and studly they are, how they have a bigger penis than every other man, or any number of other "superhero" feats they have accomplished...

Conversely, the other half are about THEY THEY THEY...and how someone said something about so and so and such and such and someone else said something about someone else but it was related to something someone said a year or two ago and someone has more than one profile and someone else left because so and so was "talking to" such and such and various long-winded "Goodbye, cruel cyber world" speeches worthy of an Oscar nomination, in very dramatic "Queen for a Day" detail about the fact they're leaving and they may or may not come back ...and then they do, usually the next day. Some don't even wait that long.

Have people lost site of what this site is for? Yes, it's an "adult" (and I use the term very loosely) site, meant for "adult" activities and discussion

(Incidentally, IMO "adult" does not mean acting like prepubescent teenagers who just got their first glimpse of a naked body and going all gaga over hearing themselves use the word "titties" and "fuck." Discussions about sex can truly be of an adult nature and still get the point across, you know. Just saying...)

Anyway...where was I?

Oh yes. IMO, either keep this ridiculous back and forth b.s. behind the scenes where it belongs or you might as well be more specific as to who, or what, you're talking about!

Yeah, maybe it is breaking rules, but, damn! With the way the paranoia runs rampant around here, when people create obscure finger pointing blogs that could apply to more than one person (but yet makes vaguely specific references to events that occurred in the past) then people do start thinking "He's talking about me, or one of my friends. The bastard! I'll get him!" And that's when enemies are created, and "sides" are chosen and the fire is fueled even that much more. And to what end? I daresay if people stopped to think about what the hell they're arguing about, many couldn't even remember what started the whole thing in the first place. I still don't even know what "the whole thing is." LOL.

To hell with it...I'm going back to bed..





swyeter

Apr 7 @ 2:02AM  
This has now become totally to the blog I wrote but I will respond since it is here. But for the record any future off topic comments will be deleted without comment. If you desire to continue this topic as a discussion I will gladly continue via email until we can come to an understanding or agreement even if it is to agree to disagree.

Granted I did not QUOTE your entire comment but only took what was relevant to the issue at hand. In fact I did not QUOTE you for when I do QUOTE someone I cut/paste verbatim and use the systems QUOTE feature to highlight it as I did in other comments above. I did not even rewrite you comment or paraphrase it to serve a purpose. What I did was take one of several statements that you made that was germane to the issue.

For the record in the forum thread you stated
I'm amazed at how many people complain about something that's free. What; it's not enough to have a profile, can post pics, search and browse, email, wink, blog, comment, and start forum threads...for free? Now they need to have say over how the site is run?

I'd just like to see rules more uniformly applied - however strictly or leniently it's done. My blog was deleted in a matter of days while other blogs by others that blatantly violated rules were allowed to stand for weeks...and in one case nearly a year and a half. That's just wrong.
Now that is in fact a quote. Now reading the first three sentences what am I to believe or interpret what you are actually inferring? I believe the first two sentences speak for themselves. The first expressing your amazement how many people are complaining about something that is free and the second listing the freebies that they are receiving. So then what exactly is your inference for your statement in the third sentence? Now I do not wish to put words in your mouth or twist what you have placed on paper but I see your words to imply amazement or disbelieve at such a ridiculous or incredulous suggestion that “free” members should have an “actual” say in how the site is run. Now was that what you were suggesting or have I missed or misinterpreted something?

Now, if I have in fact correctly interpreted what you were expressing then you are suggesting that free members either should not have a say in how the site is run or that gold members should have priority over free members. In any event, whether it was your intent or not, I see an inference that gold members should rate more than free members. BUT that could be a perception because I do not know what was in you mind or intent when you wrote it.

In any event I believe that is how others would have read and interpreted your statement and that is how I believe the blogger interpreted it but someone would have to ask them to be sure because, as I am only going by what you wrote I am also only going by what they wrote.

In fairness your comments were placed in an open forum for all to read and the blogger could have bookmarked the URL but they opted instead to “quote” the same first three sentences.
Which tend to suggest a difference between what a gold and free member should expect to receive on AMD. They then stated, and I “quote”
There is a thing called an opinion .... everyone has a say ....not just the rich or gold members .....but us free members . How else do you make sure everything stays even . Think how the world would be if only the rich had a say ... We would not get to vote for anyone in office .... pretty scary .... JMO.
Now “paraphrasing” them I believe they were saying, “I saw something to suggest that some may feel gold members should have more say than free members and it is my opinion that everyone and not just the gold members should have a say”. I also took the subject title, “Food For Thought” to implying to the reader, “And what do you think or what is your opinion”.

Now that is how I read and interpreted all this without thinking that anyone was attacking, maligning, disparaging, demeaning etc, etc, etc anyone.

I will not address the new issues you have interjected into this discussion as it only provides more “it” for stirring. However, I did find it curious that you said (and I paraphrase) “that not being a gold member meant fewer rights? Privileges, yes, but rights?”
Funny how Websters uses one to describe/define the other except when defining an individual with/of privilege as being or considering themselves better than the ordinary folk. Humm!
swyeter

Apr 7 @ 2:11AM  
TheAdvenger is right in that this thing has taken off in a totally different direction than its original intent and is taking on a life of its own. So I have turned comments off that it may die a graceful death. Anyone wishing to elicit further response from me should email me.
swyeter

Apr 9 @ 3:38PM  
Enough time has passed that the emotional frenzy of a few should have passed on to other issues so I am turning my comments back on in the event anyone wishes to post a sensible comment. Sensible does not mean one I agree with but one that is relevant to the topic. Any comments after this point that are “soap boxing”, inflammatory, self promoting, etc, etc will be deleted.

Thanks again to all who commented.

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