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Okay, just watched a little news on tv and saw a story where a 11 year-old girl was used a stun gun on. Here's the story....a deputy saw where this 11 year-old and another girl was fighting, and the 11 year-old tried to push the other girl to oncoming traffic. The deputy stepped in to try to stop it, and then the 11 year-old girl punched the deputy in the nose. The deputy in turn used his stun gun on her. The deputy was later treated at a hospital for a bruised nose. In my opinion, the little brat deserved to be stunned with the stun gun, I mean, she was obviously out of control like so many kids are today. What do you think?

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aslag

Mar 28 @ 10:43PM  
I think her family should be zapped as well for not beating her enough growing up. I can still feel the butt kickings my dad gave me when I was little. I think I turned out better because of it. At least by blistered butt is stronger.
itsallforfun

Mar 28 @ 10:46PM  
Kids are out of control...but you know he is going to get in big shit for using the stun gun...but you know i might have done the same thing in that situation
Sunshine79

Mar 28 @ 10:51PM  
Heard today on the news that the parents of the 11 year old said the little girl has the mentality of a 4 year old....I guess so considering what she did in the 1st place....

sugarnspice005

Mar 28 @ 10:52PM  
Seeing as the girl assaulted a police officer...she's lucky she got hit with the stun gun rather than having cuffs slapped on her and hauled off to jail.

But yeah.....I agree with forfun....the cop is going to catch all sorts of shit for it of course.
nobodysgirIfriend

Mar 28 @ 10:59PM  
I kind of agree with that, I mean she was being a brat and needed to be punished, but I think a stun gun is a bit much?
NightOfOld

Mar 28 @ 11:03PM  

Sounds to me she got what she deserved. Better her being stunned than the other girl be hit by a car.
BKB1972

Mar 28 @ 11:09PM  
If he restrained her, they'd claim police brutality, used an asp - tha same. Stun guns or tazers are tools, before these, he could have shot her. He will surely be chased on this one but honestly...what was he supposed to do.
superted123

Mar 28 @ 11:34PM  
sad but true
beefygoblin

Mar 28 @ 11:51PM  
Uhh hate to break it to you, but juvenile violent crime in the United States hit a thiry year low the same year that the video game gta 2 came out (forgot what year that was... clinton was In office). So unless children have suddenly gotten far more out of controll in the last couple years...

For some reason adults forget how out of control children were when they were kids. We always have this idealized version of the past wherein ever child was a perfect angel, teens didn't have sex, and mommies and daddies always loved each other (and never cheated). Snap out of it man. This kid was no worse than the nasty children you knew growing up. Infact this may have been her worst moment...

The real question should be, WHY THE F-CK BOTHER TO TAZER HER. She's an 11 year old. I know for a fact that some cops are trained in arts such as Hapkido and Krav Maga (used to work out with one). This means he could have easily just grabbed and imobolised the little terror. Its not like she had a weapon, or was a 200 pound man. She's just a kid, kid gloves should apply.
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Mar 29 @ 12:35AM  
BG, ever watch Maury P.? Growing up I never saw kids act like what I see on that show. Still didn't see a whole lot of that 15 years ago, so I'm going to have to disagree with you on how kids act today. True, parents are mostly to blame for it today. And as for her being tazed, I still think it was appropriate.
ThePurpleProphet

Mar 29 @ 12:36AM  
Taser, taser, taser. With an 11 year old girl it doesn't matter what he did it would be wrong. Some prosecuter or parent will find something wrong with him: verbally chastizing, physically restraining, stunning, waiting for back up, not waiting for back up, running away, wagging his finger at her, or coughing too close. It seems like every time a police officer does something nowadays there is an investigation on if the right thing was done.
Tracker0523

Mar 29 @ 12:40AM  
you know...i'm so tired of the whinners and the cry babies that come out after a child, teen, or white, black person has been tasered ....if your doing something against the law or in a threatening manner to another person then law enforcement has every means necessary to apprehend the suspect ....as long as they don't kill you or beat your ass then who cares.....and i don't care about age now adays.....i have a cousin that's 13 yrs old and she's 5'10'' and still growing....if you seen her you would think she's over 18 yrs of age......there are kids bringing guns and knives to school and all kinds of crap....yea, things are different now adays then back in the days when we went to school....you certainly didn't have to worry about guns and knives and back then parents were more strict with there kids....if you got out of line you would know your ass is gonna be blistered....kids now adays have no worries or fears over anything....not even their parents.....
beefygoblin

Mar 29 @ 1:01AM  
Crime statistics show that they arn't more violent now... 30 year low... they call the cops if you get in a fight at school now, and it goes into that calculation... did they call the cops for lunch room fights when you were a kid? Did you know that hitting someone with fruit can be considered violence these days? Zero tolerance and all...
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Mar 29 @ 1:08AM  
Yeah, well the reason schools didn't call police at one time is because it really wasn't that bad with the fights being all that violent like it is today. You can use all the stats that you want, but you're not going to convince me that crime is lower today with the younger generation. How many of these kids haven't been caught as they run with more and more gangs today than ever before? I remember what it was like growing up, and I see more problems today than I did at that time.
beefygoblin

Mar 29 @ 1:20AM  
There were more gangs in the 70s and 80's. Infact gang violence amoungst youths also hit a low in late 90s (though active adult gang members are a different story...18 and over seems to be a problem).

The fights today are no more brutal then they used to be. Its not like kids have suddenly become boxing champions. My father once told me how shocked he was when he moved from chicago to a small town in michigan and saw how poorly the kids fought (he apparently didn't understand why they werent tackling and beating each other on the ground- you know slamming heads into concrete).

You may not realize it, but you do have a Marry Poppins fantasy of the past. The kids are alright.
nawtikitty

Mar 29 @ 1:24AM  
I'm having trouble believing that the officer wasn't able to physically restrain the 11 year old girl. They do train to be able to do that without using excessive force

There are a few facts missing out of this story.. Such as where was this all taking place? Highly populated area? Were either of these girls using any kinds of weapons? What occurred prior to this? Was this officer feeling threatened? By an 11 yr old girl?

I always find these sorts of situations highly suspicous because not all the info was there.. and yes I did read the part about the one girl attempting to push the other girl into oncoming traffic. but we dont know what that gal did to start with do we? Maybe she sold the tasered girl's little brother some drugs or something.. Hell I'd push your ass into traffic too for that
canuhelpme258

Mar 29 @ 1:27AM  
I think the cop was a wuss... got his ass whooped by an 11 year old! How do you treat a bruised nose?
BKB1972

Mar 29 @ 1:30AM  
Ice & flowers...
StraddleMyNose

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Mar 29 @ 1:41AM  
BG, say what you want, but I still see kids today with more behavior problems, and more of a lack of respect for authority than ever before.
nawtikitty

Mar 29 @ 1:46AM  
I think the cop was a wuss... got his ass whooped by an 11 year old! How do you treat a bruised nose?

I gotta agree with that Canu
blackskyline4

Mar 29 @ 3:04AM  
thats fucked up... on both parts
canuhelpme258

Mar 29 @ 3:16AM  
"dispatch I need back up.. oh my god she has a crayon!"


canuhelpme258

Mar 29 @ 3:45AM  
BG, say what you want, but I still see kids today with more behavior problems, and more of a lack of respect for authority than ever before.

Unless this was a very large 11 year old you pick em up and hold em in the air.... where they gonna go?

At age 11 no matter how out of control they are.. they lack the reflexes and strength of adult muscles... they are children... treat them as such

If we say oh my god she's violent I'm going to have to use a taser, a weapon used on adults, we reinforce the notion that the child is equally as frightening to us as an adult criminal...

Just my two cents... treat them like a kid, a bad kid, don't let them see they can hurt you or scare you or you are toast....

Now the girl knows cops are afraid of a sock in the nose, and too slow and stupid to catch her fist? She'll only worsen.... I would thats how I know....
beefygoblin

Mar 29 @ 3:48AM  
"dispatch I need back up.. oh my god she has a crayon!"

You'd be surprised what one could use as a force multiplier .

Markers and highlighters are so commonly used by martial artist that they have started to manufacture ones designed to not break on impact (no matter how many times you use it). I myself can take a rolled up dollar bill and do some damage. Becouse of this police may actualy tazer you if you refuse to put that pen or highlighter down, they might even do it for chalk.

Of course the likelyhood of an 11 year old knowing Krav Maga is just a wee bit low. She would more likely throw her "my little pony" at you and scream "your a bad man". .


What kind of a pussy even reports getting punched in the face by an 11 year old? If I was him I'd have taken her home, explained a few things to her mom and then told everyone I got into a bar fight with a 300 pound man with a nose for a face.


On another note, I believe it was the children of the seventies who said "never trust anyone over 30".

But then its not exactly a new sentiment "Jean-Esther Van Gobseck shrugged his shoulders, smiled maliciously, and said, 'What blockheads youngsters are! Learn, master attorney (for learn you must if you don't mean to be taken in), that integrity and brains in a man under thirty are commodities which can be mortgaged. After that age there is no counting on a man."--Gobseck by Honoré de Balzac .

So you see, we never realy respected our elders. Sorry old man...jk.

Realy, in proper society respect should be earned not simply givin to one due to age. I have no respect for the likes of hitler, but my 11 year old cousin earned my respect (died with dignity and was never bitter about it...cancer). You should be judged by your actions, the quality not the quantity of them. I don't care if you were around to own slaves.

Authority is often in the wrong, why should they automaticaly be respected? If less teenagers had gone along with nazism and had instead rebelled, hitler would have had no army.

While wisdom can come with age, common sense is often lost in exchange. Being older does not make your more right, it does however give you a larger pool of experiance to draw on. Just becouse you have been taught doesn't mean you learned.
canuhelpme258

Mar 29 @ 4:01AM  
All I know is... I hope to god some real men needle the cop at the station....

Make him the day care patrol... busting up gangs of violent pre schoolers....

They are kids, when we treat them like adults... thats where we have problems... seriously.. just think about it... if you treat hem like a grown up they will act it....

Put her in a corner, take away her phone and she'll straighten up....

Give that cop a pink badge though....
TheAvenger

Mar 29 @ 4:13AM  
Totally agree.
beefygoblin

Mar 29 @ 4:16AM  
Hell, I say we shock him with atleast twice the recomended dosage... he shot a little girl with a weapon calibrated to take down an adult. Thats just cruel... and it could cause an a arrhythmia. Just what we need, little kids having heart attacks. What was the cop out of pepper spray? Didn't he have any puppies to put down for nipping at him?

Where I'm from an 80 year old grandmother was tazered for honking at cop... and while I don't support the idea of her driving... well thats just going to far.

Remember, in some places they I.Q. test cops... and then don't hire people with above average I.Q's (they say theyre more likely to leave the force early). Couldn't make that up.
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Mar 29 @ 4:22AM  
BG, I'm curious to know if you've had any run ins with police officers? Seems like you're always critical of them...
TheAvenger

Mar 29 @ 4:23AM  
People assume a lot before they get the facts...

1. The officer was a woman, a sheriff's deputy.

2. She had tried to restrain the girl, but she kept fighting with her, so she used the taser on her.

3. The girl was not injured.

3. The officer had a bruised sinus cavity. Ever get hit in the nose? Even if not broken, it hurts quite a bit, I would imagine.

http://www.local6.com/news/15721677/detail.html

The little brat got less than what she deserved; she was trying to murder another child.The story
canuhelpme258

Mar 29 @ 4:27AM  
ever been hit in the nose?

Ummm yeah...

treatment for it... nothing it will heal.....
StraddleMyNose

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Mar 29 @ 4:28AM  
Thank you, Avenger. I heard parts of the story, and they didn't go into full details. But with the media, nothing surprises me. Seems like the media is always trying to discredit police officers anymore in this country. I mind hasn't changed about this, the brat got was she deserved!
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Mar 29 @ 4:30AM  
Typo there in my last part of the comment. It should have read "my mind hasn't changed about this, the brat got what she deserved".
TheAvenger

Mar 29 @ 4:38AM  
Canu, what's your point? So it will heal. She could have gotten shot by the child and, if she didn't die, it would have healed, too. She didn't tase the girl thinking, "Oh, you little brat; I'll teach you to hit me in the nose!"

It really trips my pissy switch to see people defending criminals (even 11-year-old ones). Or especially ...soon as a cop uses any type of restraint whatsoever on a child, if that restraint goes beyond simply escorted them into the police car; if they use any measurable amount of "force" whatsoever, all of a sudden, we have this sweet, innocent, "poor little child" victim who was bullied by the "big bad cop."

The officer was trained to deal with this type of situation in whatever way she deemed necessary to deal with it. Granted, sometimes cops misuse their authority; sometimes they simply make the wrong decisions.

But we don't know all the facts...you ever see the size of some 11-year-olds these days? She could have outweighed the officer; she was out of control as it was.

She was mentally unstable, as was evidenced by the fact she was trying to kill another child by pushing her out into traffic! Yet, all people can do is sympathize with her because she is a "poor widdle *innocent* kid."

Bullshit...the officer did what she felt was necessary to control the little brat. If I had been her mother, she would have opted for tasing rather than face me, because I would have kicked her little ass from here to Bowling Green for threatening the life of another child like that.
beefygoblin

Mar 29 @ 5:36AM  
She sounds like a fairly disturbed kid... I'd check into either her past or her parents... this kind of lashing out might be a sign that something is going on.

On another note, it was an 11 YEAR OLD GIRL. You don't need a taser to restrain her, if you do you shouldn't be a cop. Its a fairly clear cut thing people, little disturbed girl lashes out at everyone and punches you in the face, you grab and restrain her. You don't use extreme force. The whole point of giving them tasers is to replace the instances where they might have to use a gun... for instance if she had attacked the office with a pair of none safety scissors or a shard of glass from the bathroom mirror. Then one could rationalize the use of a tazer (its supposed to be a self defense tool for the officer, not a party toy).

You shouldn't point a tazer at anything you wouldn't draw your gun on. Its as simple as that.


Also calling her a criminal is a bit extreme. She's a freakin mental patient yes, criminal no.

As if theyre weren't disturbed little kids 20 years ago who acted just like this. Like this is some new phenenom caused by the introduction of diet soda and video games... blame rock and roll, blame rap, blame comic books and hardcore porn. Blame whomever you have to if it helps you sleep at night... why not. Every generation before you has done it. Have your go at it, blame jazz, blame reefer. Blame the newest clothing trend. Come on, everyones doing it.

Reefer madness, the comic book code,arrest over the sale of Howl, Lenny Bruce trial, prohabition. All these things were supposed to clean up the youth, and make them as good as the children the parents remembered growing up with... thats the problem with human memory. It gets distorted over time. Everyone thinks theyre generation was a better time filled with better people. Even germans who grew up in the 30's will tell you how children today just arn't right, and how theyre parents had it so much better...

More youths today do charity work than ever before, and the youth violence stats hit a 30 year low in 1999. Children aren't worse than before, hell they might even be better. So stop acting like the youths are running wild and out to destroy society. The kids are alright.... well this one little girl isn't. She's got issues.
TheAvenger

Mar 29 @ 8:08AM  
She sounds like a fairly disturbed kid... I'd check into either her past or her parents... this kind of lashing out might be a sign that something is going on.

Well, that much is obvious.

On another note, it was an 11 YEAR OLD GIRL. You don't need a taser to restrain her, if you do you shouldn't be a cop.

Huh? Why not? She could have been totally out of control, kicking, biting, screaming, etc. It may have been necessary to use it on her.

Its a fairly clear cut thing people, little disturbed girl lashes out at everyone and punches you in the face, you grab and restrain her. You don't use extreme force.

Were you there? She didn't simply punch someone in the face; there was more to it than that. The cop wouldn't have tased the girl had she simply took a swing at her. The news story states, in so many words, that that's what she had to RESORT to doing.

The whole point of giving them tasers is to replace the instances where they might have to use a gun... for instance if she had attacked the office with a pair of none safety scissors or a shard of glass from the bathroom mirror. Then one could rationalize the use of a tazer (its supposed to be a self defense tool for the officer, not a party toy).

It is not meant to replace a gun, necessarily, in all instances; it is meant to use to control the suspect. I don't think she was using the taser as a "party toy."

You shouldn't point a tazer at anything you wouldn't draw your gun on. Its as simple as that.

Why not? A gun is a deadly weapon. A taser is not. Although some people have died after being tased, it still does not carry the threat of immiment death that a gun does. In those instances where one did die after tasing, there were, I'd bet you, extenuating circumstances. Otherwise, almost anyone who was tased would die from it. And we know that not to be the case.

Also calling her a criminal is a bit extreme. She's a freakin mental patient yes, criminal no.

She committed assault on another child and also on a sheriff's deputy. Assault is a crime. Therefore, she committed a crime. Therefore, she is a criminal.

Not sure if she is a mental patient or not. It doesn't mention anything about her being a patient. She is clearly mentally disturbed, however.

As if theyre weren't disturbed little kids 20 years ago who acted just like this. Like this is some new phenenom caused by the introduction of diet soda and video games... blame rock and roll, blame rap, blame comic books and hardcore porn. Blame whomever you have to if it helps you sleep at night... why not. Every generation before you has done it. Have your go at it, blame jazz, blame reefer. Blame the newest clothing trend. Come on, everyones doing it.

I think society is in large part to blame for the way kids act today, yesterday, tomorrow and beyond. And I do think the crap they're putting in our food and the poisons that seep into our water supply do have a lot to do with it. You'd be surprised at how diet can affect someone not only physically, but mentally as well.

The kids are alright.... well this one little girl isn't. She's got issues.

There are more kids committing more violent crimes than ever before. But it's not entirely their fault...it's the parents, who have absolutely no clue..or don't care...about what their kids are doing, then they appear as guests on the MP show, wailing hysterically about how they "Can't control their unruly child." GMAFB. If parents weren't labeled "child abusers" just because they spank their children, maybe their behavior wouldn't get so violently out of control to the point where tasers would be required to restrain them.

j3411

Mar 29 @ 8:11AM  
heheh,
I don't know where this happened but I'm sure it didn't happen in Chicago. Around here it usually goes like this...

.. Bang Bang,, halt Police. Afterward there is a gun found under the body and lots of evidence to support that the dead-ie was a gang member or affiliated with a gang.

You poke a cop,, you get what's coming.

Sometimes you have to take that because, just like the rest of us,, some cops need a poke in the nose.
TheAvenger

Mar 29 @ 9:16AM  
From what I've witnessed, most people who are against cops are the ones who run afoul or the law...or have the propensity to, at least.

Lisa46

Mar 29 @ 9:44AM  
I agree with the Avenger I don't care how old the "child" is the taser was appropriate at the time! WE weren't there all we can do is read the story which we all know the media will try to ad lib on it. So yep taser the little brat and let her sit in juvie for awhile
mrknowuwell

Mar 29 @ 6:12PM  
dont tase me BRO
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Mar 29 @ 7:29PM  
Tasers have about 50,000 volts. I couldn't agree more with what Avenger stated in her last comment on here about tasers not meant to replace guns, only meant to control people, and that's what happened in this case. Also, it does seem that people who are critical of the police all the time are the very ones that have had run ins with law enforcement, and most can't stay out of trouble.
AngiePants

Mar 29 @ 7:47PM  
Okay. This is stupid. You mean to tell me this police officer wasnt big enough to grab this little bitch by the head of the hair and control her?!

As far as I know... Cops now a days arent bulit like 11 year old girls.

He didn't need to do that..

But hey.. Coulda been the gun he used....
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Mar 29 @ 8:52PM  
Angiepants, I don't think you read any of the comments on here. Avenger stated that she pulled the story up on her internet to get more info, and it was determined that the police officer was a woman. Not all kids are small, she could have been bigger than the officer herself. I did notice your profile where you state that you're only 19, but yet you're at 250lbs. Now, I don't know very many young women that are your age that are that size. Please don't take offense to my remark, my point that I'm making is that there are a lot of kids in their teens that are pretty big for their age in todays society. As far as you comparing a taser to a gun, you're totally off on that one. A taser is meant to control the subject. A gun on the other hand is meant to injure or kill a subject.
openmindedguy71

Mar 29 @ 11:08PM  
I think if the government would stay out of the way we raise our children and let parents discipline their kids when needed, then maybe 11 year olds wouldnt be out running around beating up police officers or trying to push there friends in front of moving traffic.
TheAvenger

Mar 30 @ 2:11AM  
One account described the child as approximately the same size as the deputy, which is 5'5, apx. 150 pounds. Also, she was out of control. Other sources say she had thrown around a desk and chairs, tried spitting on a teacher (but missed, I presume), had already tried to push another child into the path of oncoming traffic.

What's more, the stories clearly state the deputy tried to physically restrain her, but she continued to fight with her. (Imagine yourself struggling with a pretty hefty, out of control, violent child).

People seem to have this idea that the poor little "innocent child" was sitting there, minding her own business, saying her rosary and all of a sudden the big bad cop comes up and hits her with a taser and knocks her down to her knees, for "no reason at all."

The cop had decided the child, and the situation, was out of control...especially after the child had hit her in the nose. She reportedly thought her nose was broken (I can see that...getting hit in the nose hurts like hell and most reasonable people might assume it's broken).

So at that point, what is she supposed to do? Sit there and continue to struggle with the little heathen?

The officer at that point had several options available to her to try to keep the child under control. She could have used her baton on her if she deemed necessary. Possibly even drawn her gun on her. The officer had a right to physically fight back with her.

Had she put her hands on her in that manner, some would be screaming about "how dare an adult put their hands on a child like that!" Lawsuit city.

She had to make a quick decision about how to get the little monster under control. So she reached for her taser.

Zap. Plop. Incident over.

gravija

Apr 2 @ 10:57PM  
kids r out of control...aha
who isnt?!!?!

go to war overseas for 5 fricking years,broadcast war scenes on tv&internet....then expect kids not to punch each other

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