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  MamMan

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I had the opportunity to venture into the forums last night, after a loooonnnggg abscence. I read several remarks that seemed to state that race is something that this country no longer considers to be viewed as a trait ( for lack of a better term on my part) that should be considered when making the choice of whom we wish to associate, become friends, confidantes, lovers, etc. At the same time, I found several references that women are such a belittled group in our society.

I am coming to the adult community of AMD and asking......do you feel that this country has reached a state of race neutrality? In other words, does it still matter?
And, for the second part of the discussion, after nearly 90 years of legal freedom....do you feel that women remain second-class citizens?

What are YOUR thoughts????

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jcarolina

Mar 13 @ 8:26AM  
We've made a lot of progress, but racism is still strong. If Obama happens to get elected, I think we'll see the true racists in this country come out of the woodwork to sow dissent.
The upside to that is that years from now, having our first black president will have improved race relations greatly.

Women have always been oppressed but now we live in a more balanced world. Women no longer have to rely on men to take care of them, they now have opportunities to be more independent and successful.

Of course female lions have always done the hunting, brought home the bacon so to speak.

What's up with that?
lolthisistoofunny

Mar 13 @ 8:34AM  
I was thinking about that yesterday and thinking of how ethnically diverse my neighborhood is and the fact that we all get along and help each other out (especially right in my cul-de-sac...There are two white families, two black families and also behind me is a Japanese family, and this entire section of Nashville, including my immediate neighborhood, is full of Hispanics. We all help each other with landscaping and other outdoor/indoor projects...trade mechanics' skills with plumbing skills, stuff like that. We have cookouts in my yard in the cul-de-sac (I'm the only one with a big yard and a big grill) and we all are very good friends.


I think, certainly since the civil rights movements of the '60s, to say that we haven't become more racially neutral than we used to be would be inaccurate.

Having said that, we are nowhere near what we should be. Especially here in the South where,sadly, the word "nigger" is still uttered (though mostly mumbled behind someone's back and also without even thinking about what the word means.) And also people bitching and moaning about the Hispanics and Latinos who live here (conveniently forgetting that many of them are here legally and are every bit U.S. citizens as much as they are.

Much has changed with opportunities for education, etc., and I don't believe that race is so much a hindrance in that regard (no more than for anyone else, really) but I do believe there is still quite a bit of prejudice going on in private sector businesses.

But people in general are sometimes very cruel and strange. So long as we have insanely fanatical hate groups such as the KKK, and individuals whose ancestral bad attitudes are passed down from one generation to the next, we will never achieve an attitude of racial equality across the board.

I never have understood prejudice against an entire race, or against an individual, SIMPLY BECAUSE of the color of their skin. But that's yet another nonsensical part of life that leaves me going WTF???
lolthisistoofunny

Mar 13 @ 8:37AM  
oh shoot..forgot the other part...

1. Hell, yes, it matters.

2. I don't believe women ARE second-class citizens, but I still think that that is much of society's attitude in general. This is an OVERTLY sexist society...and I think we've regressed in that regard, rather than progressed.
themama

Mar 13 @ 8:49AM  
Yes racism is still out there..In my little corner of the world (we live in the country here) Our next door neighbor who is a black lady moved in around 15 years ago and back then no I had no idea the KKK was around here but damn here they came protesting her moving in.. We being none racial was there and still are when ever they decide to protest against a now 87 year old black lady living in my little part of the world.

Now on the point of woman still being treated as second class.. Hmm yes and no.. Somethings have changed but we still have to fight damn hard to be treated as a full equal to the men in anything we do..
MamMan

Mar 13 @ 9:20AM  
The upside to that is that years from now, having our first black president will have improved race relations greatly.
Agreed....but will the downside be the beginning of another rift should he not be elected (ex. the OJ trial)??
MamMan

Mar 13 @ 9:25AM  
But people in general are sometimes very cruel and strange.
So, my question would be....are we pre-disposed by nature/nurture to respond negative to those we deem not like us? Or, can the time come to pass that we will not discuss whether he/she is of a certain race....but what kind of person that they are, exclusively?
In the sports arena of society...not long ago, African-American athletes were deemed to not be intelligent enough to be Quarterback in football. Now, so many have come along and been successful....generally speaking, you do not hear the classification of the "black quarterback". He is either a bum or a fantasy pick.
SxzeNewMe

Mar 13 @ 9:26AM  
Hell yes racism is still here and going strong! But it's not just against Black folks - or Latinos...they, too, have plenty of racist thoughts and actions. I have felt racism from both of my own ethnicities - which just goes to show you that jealousy is equal opportunity!

That said, things have tremendously improved - and anyone with any intelligence and knows US history knows things have gotten A LOT better.


The same goes for women...women now have choices and opportunities they never had before, to be sure, but change is still needed. And...I think I'll stop there!
SxzeNewMe

Mar 13 @ 9:27AM  
Agreed....but will the downside be the beginning of another rift should he not be elected (ex. the OJ trial)??
THAT is a scary thought!
MamMan

Mar 13 @ 9:42AM  
This is an OVERTLY sexist society...and I think we've regressed in that regard, rather than progressed.
Alright, I can reason that you may have personal reasons for your opinion...but, as i have engaged you discussion on this topic in the forums.....with the largest contingent EVER in this nation's history of active female U.S. Senators ( 16 out of 100), and, 8 out of 50 state Governors....have not women grown in stature in this nation as capable of not merely supporting her man...but being executive & chief legislators. Another example, until the end of 2006 ( for a period of 13 yrs.), 2 out of the 9 members of the U.S. Supreme Court were women.
Of course, these numbers do not represent the majority percentage that women hold in our population, but, I would feel confident in stating they are great strides in over the course of 90 years. No other racial division can express such advances.
In business, Fortune 100 CEOs......sports & entertainment, multimillionaires....
Yes, I will be the first that women as a whole do not receive nearly the credit for that which they provide society....but, I do not feel that they continue to be repressed nor shunned.

And, IMHO...sexism cuts both ways.....we gasp at a boob of Janet Jackson, and yet her career zooms, she appears on numerous talkshows, and her sales continue. The recent Spitzer hooker scandal & Clinton blowjob horror spur the opposite reaction from those same groups.....both were truly and inexplicably stupid ....their wives (primarily) and families are traumatized....but, sex has been and will continue to be a prime part of the human constant.

Thanks for the comments.
MamMan

Mar 13 @ 9:44AM  
I have felt racism from both of my own ethnicities - which just goes to show you that jealousy is equal opportunity!

Trust me, I know that stupidity can come best from those closest----family.
Thanks for the comments.
sundance64

Mar 13 @ 9:50AM  
"Judge people by thier actions, not thier color, name or socal standing.
Give everyone a chance, assume they are good until they prove otherwise - don't make snap judgements. And if a persons actions are radically different from yours, look at his or her lifestyle and determine how you would act under the same circumstances.
I find its very interesting to have friends who differ from me in age, color, intelligence, and social and financial standing. I learn much about life from each. Be they 18 years old or 90.
You can miss so much if you judge too quickly without giving the person a chance to show what they have to offer.
Your trust may be abused at times but not so often as one might think.
The benefits will far outweigh any bad experience you may have....
...It was not until I learned to love myself that I was truly able to love others and freely accept thier love without question.
I can accept the fact that I have good and bad traits and yet am still loveable. If I can accept my own shortcomings then I must accept those of my friends..."
exerpt from journal entry dated June 6, 1984
This is from my mother's journal, something I posted in a blog awhile back. This is how I was raised...
I've been to alot of different places, in this country and around the world. I've lived in the north and the south, and seen racial and sexual prejudice of all kinds. Growing up in Detroit, I had no what prejudice was until I was around 9 or 10...when it was directed at me and my family. We were the only white family in our neighborhood and I was going to a public school for the first time in Detroit...got picked on and into fights, called 'honky' and 'cracker' all the time. But pretty much all my friends were black, so I learned quickly and mostly without thinking to judge the person...not the entire race.
Living in the south now, I see and hear alot of prejudice and racial slurs. What I don't see so much is racial inequality. Granted, I don't get out much...but I see blacks, whites and hispanics living and working in both urban and rural communities side by side. The only place I've seen segregation is in the churches...go figure!
As for women being second-class citizens...it depends on where you go and who you talk to. Yes...in some cultures, even here in the U.S. women are still treated that way. But as a country I believe women in general have the same rights and privileges as men. But, I don't believe every woman can do any job a man can do...and vise-versa...does that make sense?
But in some areas of corporate America, women are still having to prove themselves equal to or better than a man for the job. The 'Boys Club' still exists, whether it's in the office or on a construction site.
Sunshine79

Mar 13 @ 9:57AM  
I don't even want to step into this one...

I don't think racism is as strong as it's ever been. I do believe it's getting better, but yes it's still out there.

As far as women go.....I am who I am and I don't feel I'm a 2nd class citizen to ANYONE!!! Never have been!!

YOU chose your own actions in this life and chose your own path with it. YOU carry yourself to where YOU want to go. Ain't NOTHING gonna hold me back!!!
MamMan

Mar 13 @ 9:58AM  
But in some areas of corporate America, women are still having to prove themselves equal to or better than a man for the job. The 'Boys Club' still exists, whether it's in the office or on a construction site.
I can agree whole-heartedly, and, I would ask.....that similar to race ( born into it---cannot rub it away), a woman cannot change that "weakness" ----her gender, therefore, will women reach the point that their continuing success will eradicate this problem from the mindet of America???
I hope that this question can be interpreted clearly....it seemed to make sense while stirring around in my head.
sundance64

Mar 13 @ 10:08AM  
I believe that women as a whole have proven that they are equal to any task they put their mind to.
MamMan

Mar 13 @ 10:26AM  
I
believe that women as a whole have proven that they are equal to any task they put their mind to.
Brava!!!
NachoBaby

Mar 13 @ 10:36AM  
I'd like to tell you that race isn't an issue in the world darlin.. but I'd be lying. I think we might be on the way though.. I hope, I pray... I hope some more.

Drives me a bit over the edge sometimes cuz really, there's only one race.. and unfortunately, the rats are winning.
Ashinatrix

Mar 13 @ 10:47AM  
Just cuz I'm white trash doesnt mean Im racist

But I am highly prejudiced against ignorance.....and honey, ignorance comes in ALL colors!!!
slohand_47

Mar 13 @ 10:56AM  
Do racism and sexism exist today? Sure do.

Is it better (translate less) than it was? Absolutely

Is there still room for improvement? Very much so.

What about programs of "reverse racism" or Affirmitive action? Is preferential treatment for minorities OK because it is "making up for the past" or is preferential treatment for ANYONE based on gender or race wrong???

In my own experience, about 11 years ago I went to to the SBA (Small Business Administration) to inquire about a loan to start a business. I was told that if I had been a minority woman, he could have given me all kinds of financial aid, but as a white male, I did not fit their target demographic. wtf
NachoBaby

Mar 13 @ 10:57AM  
As far as women being second class citizens.. nothing going to change there til the 'in power' changes. Again.. I should just hand over the kudzoo and back away slowly.
MamMan

Mar 13 @ 11:03AM  
Drives me a bit over the edge sometimes cuz really, there's only one race.. and unfortunately, the rats are winning.

Ain't it a bitch when other rodents are clamoring at your heels??? Then bypassing you.....
MamMan

Mar 13 @ 11:04AM  
Just cuz I'm white trash doesnt mean Im racist

But I am highly prejudiced against ignorance.....and honey, ignorance comes in ALL colors!!!

Amen to all of that, Lady Ash!!!
MamMan

Mar 13 @ 11:10AM  
What about programs of "reverse racism" or Affirmitive action? Is preferential treatment for minorities OK because it is "making up for the past" or is preferential treatment for ANYONE based on gender or race wrong???

In my own experience, about 11 years ago I went to to the SBA (Small Business Administration) to inquire about a loan to start a business. I was told that if I had been a minority woman, he could have given me all kinds of financial aid, but as a white male, I did not fit their target demographic. wtf

Some have been hurt in the course of progress...not much different than those trampled by more powerful/financially stronger organizations or individuals. That is a shame for you.....my condolences.....but, I will ask-----if the many (all races & nationalities) have grown closer due to a more economic and educational balance...has the greater good been served?? And, I will add a personal note....I do not know whether the continuance of these programs are fostering generations that had grown to accept one another to one day return to mass animosity of each other.
MamMan

Mar 13 @ 11:12AM  
nothing going to change there til the 'in power' changes.
Alright, Ravishing Rodent.....how do we get the "in power' to change?? Any suggestions?? Is shared power a solution??
NachoBaby

Mar 13 @ 11:45AM  
Eh there's only another four years til the big shakeup .. the end of the world as we know it.. yadda yadda.. I'm just gonna wait and watch for now.. tired of fighting.
ladybootscooter

Mar 13 @ 12:08PM  
Yep, sadly Baby it's still out there. Has it gotten better? Somewhat. Having lived in very culturally diverse neighborhoods in Dallas and then moving to BFE in the Ozark Hills, was quite a culture shock. In this area, most definitely racism exists, plus that "good old boys" sexist mentality that women are inferior (could be part of why I'm still single after all these years, I just don't buy that shit!) But my "people" also suffered from racism for many years as well. It is still somewhat prevalent in parts of this country today. June 2, 1924, Congress granted citizenship to all Native Americans born in the U.S. Yet even after the Indian Citizenship Act, some Native Americans weren't allowed to vote because the right to vote was governed by state law. Until 1948, some states barred Native Americans from voting. So while my grandmothers, had they been white, could have voted after February 18, 1920, because of their race they weren't even considered U.S. Citizens four nearly 4 more years. I just keep hoping, someday.....someday
ladybootscooter

Mar 13 @ 12:13PM  
*slips back in a leaves a shiny fat free kudo on his door step*
MamMan

Mar 13 @ 8:05PM  
*slips back in a leaves a shiny fat free kudo on his door step*

Thank you, baby...that is the best kind, but just come on in & come on up next time......you have the key

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