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posted 2/17/2008 4:17:36 AM |
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Was just asked that question tonight. Seems some are not familiar with the breed. Well, being I am president of Troll Killers, Inc., let us enlighten the unenlightened, instruct the uninstructed, and otherwise shine an opera lamp upon this odd and strange creature. In this lesson, we shall start with all the technological jargon, then descend down into my personal favorite, laymen's terms....

Now pay attention class, pop quiz later....

Some short quotes, from

An Internet troll, or simply troll in Internet slang, is someone who posts controversial and usually irrelevant or off-topic messages in an online community, such as an online discussion forum, with the intention of baiting other users into an emotional response or to generally disrupt normal on-topic discussion.The contemporary use of the term first appeared on Usenet groups in the late 1980s. The word likely gained currency because of its apt second meaning, drawn from the trolls portrayed in Scandinavian folklore and children's tales; they are often ugly, obnoxious creatures bent on mischief

That is a main form of troll. However, they have been known to mutate into various and assorted other forms as well. One of the worst is the troll which sheds its skin and changes chameleon-like into a completely different form, then works with any given internet community to work their evilness.

Wikipedia states:
Prior to DejaNews's archiving of Usenet, accounts of trolling were sketchy, there being little evidence to sort through. After that time, however, the huge archives were available for researchers. Perhaps the earliest (although poorly-documented) case is the 1982-83 saga of Alex and Joan from the CompuServe forums. Lindsy Van Gelder, a reporter for Ms. magazine, documented the incident in 1985 in an article for her publication. Alex (in real life, a shy 50-year-old male psychiatrist from New York) pretended to be a highly bombastic, anti-religious, post-car-accident, wheelchair-bound, mute woman named Joan, "in order to better relate to his female patients." This went on for two years, and Joan had become a hugely detailed character, with an array of emotional relationships. These only began to fall apart after Joan coaxed an online friend of hers into an affair with Alex. Even those who barely knew Joan felt implicated — and somehow betrayed — by Alex's deception.

And wiki recognizes full well the damage these little bastards can really do.
Trolls can be costly in several ways. A troll can disrupt the discussion on a newsgroup, disseminate bad advice, and damage the feeling of trust in the newsgroup community. Furthermore, in a group that has become sensitized to trolling — where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations. Even if the accusation is unfounded, being branded a troll is quite damaging to one's online reputation." (Donath, 1999, p. 45)

***Personal Note*****
Remember well this particular statement, when at first read of a newcomers questions. A lesson for me as well as anyone.

Anyway...the full article can be read here:


And the Urban Dictionary pretty much emphasizes the same as wiki, just with a few derivations, such as:
[QUOTE]1b. Noun
A person who, on a message forum of some type, attacks and flames other members of the forum for any of a number of reasons such as rank, previous disagreements, sex, status, ect.
A troll usually flames threads without staying on topic, unlike a "Flamer" who flames a thread because he/she disagrees with the content of the thread.

1c. Noun
A member of an internet forum who continually harangues and harasses others. Someone with nothing worthwhile to add to a certain conversation, but rather continually threadjacks or changes the subject, as well as thinks every member of the forum is talking about them and only them. Trolls often go by multiple names to circumvent getting banned.

It goes on, but I think I have made my point with 2 established articles. The full second one can be found here:
Urban Dictionary

A simple google of the words "definition of troll" will yield you a return of at least 500 pages which all back up these two prominent ones I have quoted.

I hope that has helped make the question clear. However, for those who still don't get it, allow me to lay it out in laymen's terms. At least my opinion of these beasts.

A troll is a worthless pathetic whining little coward who loves nothing more to stir up trouble wherever they go online. They will do whatever it takes to piss people off or hurt their feelings. They feel because its the "net" that they can do whatever they want whenever they want because they are safe and secure behind their computers. And yes indeed they conjure up a great many multiple profiles to work their craft.

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Feb 17 @ 4:18AM  
Most are of the younger crowd, to be sure, but youth does not excuse being an asshole and intentionally hurting the feelings of others. Worst are the older ones, who damn well know better. And its my belief that anyone who gets a hard on ( or wet..yes there are females too ) from the misery of others is one majorly pathetic worthless piece of shit.

But the good news is, laws are getting tougher every day. Technology is improving to trace down anyone from any PC they use to make comments on any site. Here's something I bet few know, and that at least in the US, the internet is actually owned by the government, and that they record EVERY IP address of every PC that makes its mark on a website, whether to make a post or order an item. I seriously doubt the other countries do not, either. So, the serious trolls days ARE numbered. Threats, slurs and the like are going to be heavily prosecuted very soon. Trolls best take heed. And all in all...what gives anyone the right to act any different than they would in real life, just because its the "net?" I'll take a dozen assholes over a troll anyday. FUCK OFF, TROLLS!!!!

*I'm the President of Troll Killers, Inc., and I approve this message*

Anyone who wishes to add to the definition, please do so below.

Any trolls who pop up, their comments will be deleted, their account blocked, and reported to the ends of hell itself.

Feb 17 @ 4:52AM  
JMO............I think everyone is a Troll from time to time!!
Happy hunting

Feb 17 @ 4:57AM  
I agree. I am sure most if not all have made a trollish action from time to time. Myself included. But the ones I refer to are the ones who make it a daily occupation and work only towards that end.

Feb 17 @ 5:05AM  
This site in particular has become a magnate for trolls… I’m not sure if it is the adult nature of the site, letting some people feel they can let their inhibitions run wild; thus becoming Troll Kind; or if the problem is more localized. I use the term localized, because it is the belief of others that there are few actual trolls, with many profiles.

Regardless of number of users versus number of troll profiles, the behavior is childish, here in Pervia, the majority of it is done out of boredom, some people need a hobby other than staring at a monitor all day.
I do caution people to read D.K’s blog AGAIN, note the section about becoming hyper-sensitive; what Pervians need to realize is, there is always going to be a FRUSTRATION FACTOR with AMD. The site advertises it’s self a an easy way to meet sex partners. Dominus has written extensively on the folly of buying that, I can’t state it better than he… When guys who are pent up, get frustrated they will lash out, I wouldn’t classify each of them as trolls, merely asshats or dim dicks.

Trouble is Asshats and Dim dicks are prone to get pissy when called on douchebaggery, that can turn a frustrated yet dumb guy into a troll.

Another problem on AMD is attention seeking. We have several knee jerks posting here, they simply can not let a dumb ass blog lay quietly, they must respond, that makes trolling far too easy to gain attention. You have to bare in mind that AMD like other blogging sites ranks popularity, not on substance or content, but by views and replies.
The best strategy for dealing with the anomalous frustrated blog? Ignore commenting to it, and post one of your own, from everyone. Push it to page three do not turn a sexually challenged dim dick into a troll by attacking him.

In my personal opinion, I wish this site used I.P. blocking more, instead of merely deleting the profiles. I think we’ve all seen with Selina and Larry how well that works out, just get a new Yahoo, then a new profile, much like Sel’s sweetie recently did…

Trolls they aren’t just for breakfast anymore!

It’s always best to attempt to contact offenders in private first, see if their intentions are really simply to troll… I’ve not always done that, but I try…

Extra chrunchy Kudos for beating me to the punch DK....

Feb 17 @ 5:09AM  
Whoops got lagging and double posted.. feel free to delete one... lol...

We need to not let trolls become the NcCarthy-ism of AMD though, which is the hard part given that, there will always be phony profiles from people absorbed in fantasy, those are little concern... the ones who lead others on... like the mother of most troll did.. that could cripple the site.

Feb 17 @ 5:10AM  

I need more coffee

Feb 17 @ 8:36AM  
where the rate of deception is high — many honestly naïve questions may be quickly rejected as trollings. This can be quite off-putting to the new user who upon venturing a first posting is immediately bombarded with angry accusations

I became the victim of this .............this also creates groups of bullys who then go trolling for trolls believing it is their responsibilty to police"THEIR" site attacking in packs often innocent "NEWBIES"

Feb 17 @ 9:09AM  
do trolls by any other name still stink.........

Feb 17 @ 10:01AM  
Very good DK, a kudo for this and one for Canu for his imput also........i'll slip it onto one of his blogs... We have seen trolls come and go and I think for the most part they come back as someone else right away.....who may be nice for a while......but go back to their old trollish ways......but of course its never their fault for being treated nastily.........always someone picking on them no matter what they have said or done in the past..........right now I am just leaving the troll slaying to you DK, I am just ignoring the assholes, the whiners that everyone is picking on me, the nasties........., that doesn't mean I wont fight with them again.........just taken the quiet route right now........and leaving the troll slaying in your capable hands.

Feb 17 @ 11:26AM  
Thank you Sir Knight for your great explanation and to you CanU for your additional Information. I think the subject has been throughly covered and no blood shed.

Lady Blue

Feb 17 @ 11:52AM  
Sorry to hear of your troubles, Lori. Wherepon the reason I placed that personal note on there, so that hopefully people will not be so quick to judge. Let me be the first to bid you welcome properly

Yes, sum...they may change, they may mutate, but the smell is still the same....

Ewe....dont try this at home, im a professional....

And twas not a problem, fair Lady blue....tis what I do....and without my good friends such as canu and a veritable cornucopia of others, twould be a hard road, indeed...I cherish them all......

Feb 17 @ 12:42PM  
Hmmm I guess its be a total bitch time.. some 'Innocent' Newbies didn't make a very good first impression by chewing the ass off of a few gentlemen who unthinkingly contacted them. So I don't see any INNOCENT anyone..


Feb 17 @ 1:24PM  
So I don't see any INNOCENT anyone..
Amen my lil squirrely girl!! You hit the nail on the head. Hard to feel sorry for a "victim" when they come out of the corner swinging both fists!! Very good blog DK a shiny green thingy to ya!

Feb 17 @ 1:26PM  
I don’t know I kinda like Trolls they are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.

Feb 17 @ 1:52PM  
I don't like trolls because they don't understand the philosophy of the evolution of panties nor do they have the capacity to understand the profundity of my many inventions. I have personally captured many trolls with my troll detector and have cleaned, butchered and placed them in my freezer for further experimentation. They have also saved me money on groceries...yours truly ..Professor Pan.T. Borty.

Feb 17 @ 2:31PM  
ts be a total bitch time

Would I have you any other way?

While it's true that I have been away for some is also true that I am far from new here. And missing quite a bit, I also rely on my friends to keep me in the know about things past. So certainly speak your mind, hun.

Same for LBS. And slip that kudo riiiight

Their only good BBQ'ed, Darkdesires, so the greasy fat can run off.....

And how goes the super-secret research, Borty on converting that atom smasher into a troll smasher? I realize being that a troll brain molecule being far smaller than a regular atom, it's hard to aim the damn thing....

Feb 17 @ 9:31PM  
Oh yeah, I have had a few little trolls gunning for me off and on a while back. Of course they lost.

Feb 18 @ 12:13AM  
Trolls huh? hmmmmm.... I think that may be a nicer way of saying something.

Feb 18 @ 2:46AM  
this also creates groups of bullys who then go trolling for trolls believing it is their responsibilty to police"THEIR" site attacking in packs often innocent "NEWBIES"

You'll note both DK's and my own cautionary words... or not your choice, however, there is not much to be done... Seriously, the admin have left the site for dead being as the population dropped below a magic number again... and some of the so called innocents are not son innocent... there is a lot goes on behind closed doors and sometimes you only see the public end.

I can not comment on your particular case, as I've no clue as to what happened; nor do I particularly care to read it on DK's blog, that would be the equivalent of stirring old shit back up I do know a few things are not coincidental... that does pertain to you.. just want to float that out there.

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