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  mcroxton

I am a student of Tai Chi Chuan - a kind of traditional Chinese Shadowboxing. It is a meditation, and is used for self defense, meditation, as well as to cultivate one's health.

According to Traditional Chinese Medicine (TCM), sex changes the energy patterns in a person's body - more energy is directed to the sex organs. Unfortunately, during masturbation, this energy is expelled from the body... and can deplete one's energy (jing).

So perhaps a warning that migh tbe more appropriate for those of us who share my "beliefs" might not be that they'll "go blind" but that they'll lose energy.

Does anyone else out their understand what I mean, or prescribe to my ideas/beliefs about this?

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borty293

Jan 28 @ 3:25AM  
Gawd...no wonder I'm exhausted....
guruvan

Jan 28 @ 3:44AM  
It's a common (eastern) conception that if (a male) masturbates to the point of ejaculation, chi is released, and since in the male, this flow leaves the body, and the chi is weakened.

on the other hand, masturbating to just before the point of ejaculation is supposed to strengthen the chi and the will. there are several yogic exercises that will strengthen the muscles (esp. perenium(sp?) required to extend this ability (i.e. closer and closer to the "point of no return")

most eastern thought seems to want to minimize this release of chi, and maximize the output of the chi release when it is allowed to occur. One might engage in several (lovemaking or masturbation) sessions before the appropriate time for that release of chi were to arrive.

(FWIW- these yogic practices would also seem to have 2 other effects: increased fertility, and decreased "accidental" childbirths.)

sorry ladies.....no clues for y'all
NachoBaby

Jan 28 @ 11:07AM  
sex magic practitioners believe the exact opposite, they do energy draws from all around them and while they do expel a great deal of energy at the moment of orgasm, they are not left with less than they had in the beginning.
ThePurpleProphet

Jan 28 @ 11:19AM  
Your bodies energy is made of positive and negative ions. The energy expelled from the body during sex or masturbation is postive ions. To restore the positive ions as quickly as possible you do so through your meditaion and Tai Chi exercises. Cuddling can also help retore some of the positive energy that was lost. Ilhwa co. makes a pure concentrated Korean ginseng that can restore the positive ions faster that anything I've ever tried. Hope this has been helpful.
guruvan

Jan 28 @ 5:47PM  
sex magic practitioners also don't generally have pointless orgams. serious tantric practitioners don't generally either. in both cases the practitioner has some conscious goal beyond that of sexual release.

The average person does not practise sex magic, or tantra. The average person probably tends toward less conscious sexual behaviour than the above practitioners. When this average person has an orgasm, more often than not, the only real thought/goal was the orgasm itself. When one does this, one does not draw upon the chi of their environment consciously, and therefore has no replacement for the expelled chi. Thus we have the generalised notion that orgasm = energy loss.
What we really mean, though, by energy loss, is weakened chi.



mcroxton

Jan 28 @ 9:10PM  
Namaste, Guruvan and PurpleProphet! Ni hao ma?

Have you ever heard of the Toaist practice of "injaculation?" Pressing on the hui-yin to stop the body from expelling semen, so the body can reabsorb the energy? I've never tried this myself, but it sounds like it would be somewhat awkward to accomplish

My Sifu says that Taijiquan has some "penis gong fu" although I'm somewhat shy to ask him just what this means. I'm sure it has to do with relaxation and energy though.

But I have heard that internal martial arts can replenish one's jing. I think I have felt this after practice, also after practicing Baguazhang (Eight Trigram Palm). I felt so relaxed and centered.

I think when qi (?) condenses, it forms into jing (?). I have read that "jing" (?, essence) is not to be confused with jing (? strength).

I'm still finding out what all that is about BUT I do know that masturbation causes one to lose or weken one's energy - whatever form that might be.

Doesn't a strong pubococcygeus muscle or PC muscle help to control ejaculation?

Ah yes, ginseng. I like with vegetables or fish. It is quite potent... and warms the body... I have been researching this a bit, and would like to take ginseng, but I'm not sure how to take it as a "supplement." Is there a way you might suggest I eat it?

By the way, I am also a little familiar with a healing practice that uses "universal energy" to heal - you have to open up the bai hui and let the energy flow and NOT use your own internal energy...

I thought sex with a partner was not as detrimental to one's energy as masturbation...

Alas, I have much to learn, but I believe that journey is it's own reward.
guruvan

Jan 29 @ 4:27AM  
Have you ever heard of the Toaist practice of "injaculation?" Pressing on the hui-yin to stop the body from expelling semen, so the body can reabsorb the energy? I've never tried this myself, but it sounds like it would be somewhat awkward to accomplish...............Doesn't a strong pubococcygeus muscle or PC muscle help to control ejaculation?.

these are precisely the type of practises I'm talking about. I don't know the word hui-yin, but I'm pretty certain I know where it means, and yes, I think that a strong PC muscle will control ejaculation, less awkwardly and more effectively (YMMV)

there's usually some reciprocation when you have a partner, and so the energetic flow is more complete.

By the way, I am also a little familiar with a healing practice that uses "universal energy" to heal - you have to open up the bai hui and let the energy flow and NOT use your own internal energy...

This premise is used in all sorts of energy work, and is what nachobaby was talking about. You can try to do the work for the universe, or it can do the work for you.
we usually call these practises "magic" (we call sciences magic when we can;t readily explain their workings in the terms we use to describe our universe.)
this universal energy is what is actually used to do or create anything. you can either use what you store within, or use it directly from the source. you'll usually get a better flow if you don't make everything go through your storage system.


beefygoblin

Jan 30 @ 3:12AM  
This is why I believe krav maga to be a better form of martial arts. Less bullshit.

Your energy gets lower- becouse you just spent it masturbating. That hand don't move on its own, and your muscles strain during orgasm, pupils dialate, skin becomes flush, ect.

Your energy isn't held in the ejaculate.
redbronze

Feb 3 @ 12:52AM  
well myth-busters took this one on.. and with science... smile an athlete, boxer, sex with his wife and blood tests as well as stress tests the tests showed.. Not a decline in energy but in reality more energy was there... As the testostrogin(spelling) released into the blood stream from ejaculation created more not less endurance.. or something of that nature.. in other words having sex with one's partner the night before a match is not unhealthy but healthy...

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