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Sharing something I got from a friend of mine.....



Thinking about voting for Hillary's health care system... read this
first.



Hey Guys; I saw on the news up here in Canada where Hillary
Clinton
introduced her new health care plan. Something similar to
what we have in
Canada. I also heard that Michael Moore was raving about the
health care
up here in Canada in his latest movie. As your friend and
someone who
lives with the Canada health care plan I thought I would give
you some
facts about this great medical plan that we have in Canada.
.
First of all:
1) The health care plan in Canada is not free. We pay a
premium every
month of $96.00 for Shirley and I to be covered. Sounds
great eh? What they don't tell you is how much we pay in
taxes to keep the
health care system afloat. I am personally in the 55% tax
bracket.
Yes 55% of my earnings go to taxes. A large portion of
that and I am not
sure of the exact amount goes directly to health care - our #1
expense.
.
2) I would not classify what we have as health care plan, it
is more like
a health diagnosis system. You can get into to see a doctor
quick enough
so he can tell you "yes indeed you are sick or you
need an
operation" but now the challenge becomes getting treated or
operated on.
We have waiting lists out the ying yang some as much as 2
years down
the road.
.
3) Rather than fix what is wrong with you the usual tactic in
Canada is
to prescribe drugs. Have a pain - here is a drug to take -
not what is
causing the pain and why. No time for checking you
out because
it is more important to move as many patients thru as possible
each hour
for Government reimbursement


4) Many Canadians do not have a family Doctor.
.
5) Don't require emergency treatment as you may wait for hours
in the
emergency room waiting for treatment.
.
6) Shirley's dad cut his hand on a power saw a few weeks back
and it
required that his hand be put in a splint - to our surprise we
had to pay
$125. for a splint because it is not covered under health
care plus
we have to pay $60 for each visit for him to check it out each
week.
.
7) Shirley's cousin was diagnosed with a heart blockage. Put
on a waiting
list. Died before he could get treatment.
.
8) Government allots so many operations per year. When that
is done no
more operations, unless you go to your local newspaper and
plead your case
and embarrass the government then money suddenly
appears.
.
9) The Government takes great pride in telling us how much
more they are
increasing the funding for health care but waiting lists never
get
shorter. Government just keeps throwing money at the
problem but
it never goes away. But they are good at finding new ways to
tax us, but
they don't call it a tax anymore it is now a user fee.
.
10) My mother needs an operation for a blockage in her leg but
because she
is a smoker they will not do it. Despite her and my father
paying into
the health care system all these years. My Mom is 80
years of age.
Now there is talk that maybe we should not treat fat and obese
people
either because they are a drain on the health care
system. Let
me see now, what we want in Canada is a health care system for
healthy
people only. That should reduce our health care costs.
.
11) Forget getting a second opinion, what you see is what you
get.
.
12) I can spend what money I have left after taxes on booze,
cigarettes,
junk food and anything else that could kill me but I am not
allowed by law
to spend my money on getting an operation I need because
that would
be jumping the queue. I must wait my turn except if I am a
hockey player
or athlete then I can get looked at right away. Go
figure Where
else in the world can you spend money to kill yourself but not
allowed to
spend money to get healthy.
.
13) Oh did I mention that immigrants are covered automatically
at tax
payer expense having never contributed a dollar to the system
and pay no
premiums? (Sounds very familiar!!!)
.
14) Oh yeah we now give free needles to drug users to try and
keep them
healthy. Wouldn't want a sickly druggie breaking into your
house and
stealing your things. But people with diabetes who pay
into the
health care system have to pay for their needles because it is
not covered
but the health care system.
.
I send this out not looking for sympathy but as the election
looms in the
states you will be hearing more and more about universal
health care down
there and the advocates will be pointing to Canada. I just
want to make
sure that you hear the truth about health care up here and
have some food
for thought and informed questions to ask when broached with
this subject.



Step wisely and don't make the same mistakes we have.

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DeDe54

Oct 6 @ 4:11PM  
WOW , I have heard some pros and cons of the health care system there. But never any of this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Thankyou fun!!
TwistAndShout

Oct 6 @ 4:42PM  
The facts of the email may or may not be correct, but the email itself is suspected of being a fake. Check out the link below.

I don't know about everyone here, but I pay a whole lot more than $96 per month for my employee health plan, and my out of pocket expenses are $2500 before I get a nickel in insurance. Even so, my employer's costs go up every year. I have a good job that pays a good salary, but some of the people where I work don't make much and they have the very same plan at the same cost.

And if I lose my job, I'm shit outa luck - no health insurance unless I pay several hundred dollars per month.

Not saying I favor Hillary's plan, Canada's plan or any other. I'm just saying a government plan would have to be really, really bad to be worse than what I have now, and I'm one of the lucky ones. At least I have something. Millions of people don't have any.

And we think we have the best system in the world??? I personally think we can do better.

http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.jsp?articleId=281474977136631
Monagamy69

Oct 6 @ 4:59PM  
Me and a co-hort were speaking of Socialized Medicine the other day at work...he was telling me France was almost bankrupt because of them using Socialized Medicine...I don't know if it is true or not..but it would make since that Canada has 55% income tax for their healthcare...I'm sure Canada would be bankrupt if it wasn't in your taxes. I think America's biggest problems are insurance co-oporations...you pay all of you money for this insurance for years...and when it comes down to needing it...you still have to co-pay the hospitals...I think insurance is the biggest scam in America...but you need it at the same time because medical bills would be astronomical if you didn't have it here...
Dominus

Oct 6 @ 5:32PM  
Hmmm...funny you should be comparing the U.S.A. and Canada.

Let's do that for a second.

Canada has not deliberately involved itself in imperial-style politics while the United States has. As a result, which country has suffered more losses due to massive terrorist attacks and how much has that cost us in dollars?

Canada does not require a bloated military to protect it's interests as it has realized that diplomacy is much more effective as a self-defense tool. So how much has our policy cost us?

Canada has approached it's economy with a policy of sustained long-term growth, and as such it's dollar is currently competing with ours. We have an economy that is based on speculation and growth in short bursts, focusing on gains for the top 5% of the population. (Notably, the longest term and greatest increase in our national economy EVER was during the last Clinton administration.)

All I can say is: Don't buy the hype. Research the data for yourself if you don't believe me (a lot of the links to the stuff I'm talking about are in my previous blogs.) When will we ever learn to look at records when placing our ballots and not at rhetoric, sound bites, and commercials? Until we do, don't expect our system to improve much.
buatbu

Oct 6 @ 6:55PM  
I do know that in June the lady PM went to a doctor and hospital in Califoria for an operation to treat her breast cancer. Canada's doctors told her to go because they could not handle it. I heard, but not confirmed, the Health care program paid for it. I hope she is healthy now.
hopon

Oct 6 @ 7:32PM  
Thank you for sharing.... the info will be stored in my mind now evey time I hear about the health care system
lintroller

Oct 6 @ 8:09PM  
I wouldn't draw ANY conclusions about Hillary's plans from reading a chain letter. If you're going to get serious, then take the time to read through her bullet points on your own; don't let someone else filter the information through biased lenses. In fact, I just sat through a global health symposium in which one of the speakers, a cardiothoracic surgeon, was a campaign advisor for Hillary's campaign. What he described not only made NO mention of Canadian healthcare, it didn't resemble Canadian socialized medicine at all.

The electorate has to take initiative to become better informed. Whether you agree or disagree with proposed plans, just know enough to brush aside "HillaryCare 2.0" and the like as counterproductive propaganda.
Sunshinegal35

Oct 6 @ 8:39PM  
I'm one of the lucky ones. I have great insurance through my place of employment. Sure, I pay about $40 every week to be covered, but that's a mere pittance compared to what it would cost me if I didn't have insurance.
Japan also has socialized medicine. In 1990 I paid about $240/month for that insurance. The medical system itself wasn't great- but the insurance was awesome! No out of pocket expenses like co-pays, etc. Prescriptions cost a little- but we're talking a dollar here or a dollar there. You could see any doctor you wanted to, go to any hospital you wanted to. While there I had gall bladder problems. There was no wait for surgery, I got scheduled within a week of having been diagnosed (but because their medical system is about 20 years behind ours, I didn't trust the technology so I opted to come home to have the surgery! )
I was in line at the pharmacy a few days ago, and an older lady was in line ahead of me. I watched her write out a check for $600+ for four prescriptions- she had Medicaid/Medicare, but they only pay so much and the rest is out of her pocket. Being retired and living on a fixed income, I don't know how she and her husband could make it!
I also just read a really interesting article in Good Housekeeping about how some Americans that do not have insurance or have insurance that only covers a part of surgery, are going overseas to places like India, Thailand and Malaysia to have operations performed. A heart bypass that costs something like $113,000 here in the US, can be performed in India for $9800!
I don't think I could ever go overseas for an operation (unless it was maybe to the UK) because I'd fear not getting the same level of care I could get here. But who knows? The article predicted that more and more people would be traveling abroad for surgeries....
TwistAndShout

Oct 6 @ 9:20PM  
I wouldn't draw ANY conclusions about Hillary's plans from reading a chain letter.

Amen, brother. I don't care about whether or not Canada's or France's health care system is good or bad.. In this country, we have millions of people with no coverage, and millions more who are one layoff away from having no coverage.

Every time somebody takes a stab at solving this problem, a truckload of nonsense hits the internet and the AM radio airwaves. When we see B.S. we need to call it what it is.
asnet

Oct 6 @ 9:52PM  
• I don't have the time to go through this item by item. A few priority issues:

• 1) I don't care for propaganda from conservatives -- American or Canadian, with phony links to nonexistent webpages.
• 2) Countless objective sources have confirmed that people with serious and urgent health problems can go to the head of the lines in the US, Canada and England.
• 3) If I could get a health care plan for $576 a year, I'd be there in a minute.
• 4) The fact is that Canada screens out immigration applications from people with significant health problems.
• 5) If anyone is worked up enough about illegal aliens they can get jobs harvesting crops at double the current wages and prices.
• 6) I don't like Hillary. But she is going to make a hell of a good president.

asnet

Oct 7 @ 2:22AM  
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how much has that cost us in dollars?

Estimated cost of the Iraq war alone, including all health care for veterans and their families,
and disability benefits, for the next 30 years is:
$1.8 Trillion ...... that's $1,800,000,000,000.


borty293

Oct 7 @ 2:44AM  
Well I live in Canada and unfortunately got very sick and was unable to pay for the medications i need to survive ...they were five thousand per month for six month...the government paid for everything including medical procedures. I've never had problems with the medical system in canada except waiting in emergency for a few hours....why people bitch and complain about a good thing is totally beyond my comprehension...shit ..if you don't like canadas healthe care system ...for gawd sakes got to the states for treatment....and leave the rest of us alone...
southernaccent3

Oct 7 @ 6:40AM  
It is true that in Canada their taxes are very high due to the socialized health plan, and that they have to also pay a monthly charged based on their income. I am sure that the writer wasnt lying. I was married to a british guy and he filled me in on all of that over there to. It certainly isnt free that is for sure.
asnet

Oct 7 @ 11:41AM  
It certainly isnt free that is for sure.

G wiz ... what a discovery! Nobody ever said it was "free." They just don't shake you down every step of the way.

Quite a few Bushies seem to know somebody who knows somebody who heard from somebody that somebody said
in a bar in Hong Kong that somebody said on the Internet ....that yattayattayatta. If all of these people could just sign a DNR,
soon they would be gone and the rest of us could have the health care system the US needs.

Thanks Borty. Nothing like a fact or two to shake up the troops.

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