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posted 6/28/2007 9:10:04 PM |
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About six hours ago a young man posted a blog on immigration and wanted to know why so many people are against it. He wanted people to respond logically rather then emotionally. I looked at his profile and he is young 23, works in the health care field, so I guess he is a caring person, and believes socialism is the answer not capitalism. He is a college student but must not have studied much history to see socialism doesn't work.

Anyway I sent, what I thought was a logical reply. He did not approve my post so here it is again. This is as close to word for word as I can remember. It is not name calling - I am giving the source of my information. To be honest I don't know how reliable my source is but I have heard new sources quote the source. Do you own research and decide.

I am not against immigration. I am against illegal immigration. All four of my grandparents are immigrantes, legal immigrantes.

My source for the figures are from

1. Number of illegal aliens in our country 20 million plus

2. Money wired to Mexico City since January 2006 $ 22. 2 billion not million. However I can't find how much is business growth money.

3. Cost of Social Security Service for illegal immigrants since 1996
$ 397.4 billion No break down on the type of services.

4. Number of illegal immigrants in Public schools. 3.9 million

5. Cost of illegal immigrants in Public Schools since 1996 $ 13.9 billion

6. Number of illegal immigrats incaracerated 330,000 plus

7. Cost of illegal immigratssince 2001 $ 1.3 billion

8. Number of illegal fugitives 640,000 plus

9. Skilled jobs taken by illegal immigrants

The rest is my opinion. Total cost to the American Tax payer is $ 434.8 billion dollars That is almost one-half of a trillion dollars of tax payer money

Can we continue this cost? What would happen if it doubted or tripled? How much money does the U.S. have?

I also am worried about a terrorist slipping in with a weapon that can kill tens or hundred of thousands Americans.

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Jun 28 @ 9:16PM  

Just a note to tell you that my mailbox is being flooded with mail concerning gas prices and illegal immigrants.

To boycott oil companies or not; to provide amnesty to illegal immigrants or not, etc.

Since I have become jaded to the various solutions proposed by the Republicans, Democrats, Sierra Club, ACLU, etc., I have elected to solve

the problems as they affect me. My response solves both my gas and Illegal immigrant problems.

I have hired illegal immigrants to push my car.

They're plentiful and cheaper than buying gas. Then I pay them in pesos so they have to go home to spend it.

Don't you love it when a plan comes together?

Jun 28 @ 9:20PM  
hell nachobaby i was all for your idea till i found a car that would do it without send em back.......


Jun 28 @ 9:32PM  
He responded to my blog and I didn't block his reply. I filter nothing.

Jun 28 @ 9:32PM  
You should try living in England! Our country is roughly the size of Alabama, but we have a population of over 50 million! 90% of people in England are against immigration, but they are allowed to flood in here from all over the globe, meaning we're the only country in western Europe with a rising population. Half the crimes we read about in the papers are committed by these bloody 'asylum seekers' that we don't even want in our country in the first place!
The basic problem we have over here is that our government are complete arseholes, who don't care about anything to do with Englands national identity.

Jun 28 @ 10:09PM  
i read about this earlier today...they vetoed the bill and it wont even be considered back to the Senate till at least 2009.

Jun 28 @ 10:36PM  
By your figures, that means the cost is about $20,000 per year per immigrant, but personally I'm inclined to think it's higher.

Still, that's a good number as a jump-off point. What I say is let's make sure they won't be hired in the first place.

Make it a law that any business that cannot demonstrate it's employees were citizens or legal immigrants is fined that $20,000 to make up for the cost. That means if you hire 100 illegals to pick your strawberries this year you will be fined $2,000,000. When employers realize that for the same cost or less they can have local employees who are more skilled then you will notice the job market for illegals evaporate. And when the job market is gone they will just go back home.

Jun 28 @ 10:47PM  
Hey Nacho....... how many miles per taco do you get?

Great Blog Bautbu. Opinions are even better when backed up with facts.

I posed on the other blog too..... and it didn't make it either. Good thing I figured that might happen and saved a copy.

millions of dollars of natural resources are eploited from mexico to america each day
What "natural resources" of Mexico are we exploiting? Refried beans?? Why don't I like illegals?

1) They don't pay taxes.
2) They won't defend our country
3) They show up in emergency rooms for free health care (because of good samaritan laws) and many southern hospitals are closing because they are going broke.
4) Schools have to add staff (at the taxpayers expense AGAIN) to teach multilingual classes because they don't want to have to learn english.
5) My son was driving through town and was broadsided (not hurt thankfully) The other driver jumped and ran and by the time they tracked down the owner of the car, he was back in Mexico. Yep, and illegal with NO insurance so my son's car, worth around $6000 was totaled and he was out. Just his tough luck, huh? Maybe you'd like to make a donation?

I am NOT anti immigration. My grandparents were immigrants. They came through proper channels, learned to speak english, and studied & applied to become naturalized citizens. THAT is the right way to do it.
America is the land of opportunity........ but it's becoming the land of the free handout and I'm tired of paying the bill. I already have a family to support, thank you.
(again, let me repeat this is in reply to Illegal aliens, NOT Bautbu)

Jun 28 @ 11:24PM  
Mick I also attempted to post on his blog, stated verifiable facts regarding local business that laid off local people to hire illegals, regarding the costs to the judicial system each year for illegals and the deportation of them, regarding facts of how quickly they are right back in the same area. As for living conditions I personally saw it with my own eyes 37 adults and two goats living in a two room efficiency apt in East Dallas, all were working and the apartment rented for $50.00 per week all bills paid, the extra money was spent on money orders every Friday, it wasn't put back into the local revenue or even US revenue. I completely understand anyone wanting a better life for themselves and their families, but do it like my Irish grandfather's family did, do it legally! The thousands of dollars they pay coyotes to get them here would go along way toward paying to enter legally.

Jun 28 @ 11:52PM  
Lady, I don't EVEN want to know what they wuz doing with them 2 goats.

Jun 29 @ 1:23AM  
You forgot number 10…

10. 10 billion a year to subsidize US Corn farmers whose surplus crop floods the Mexican market to the point where Mexican corn farmers now export themselves to help grow it and pick it in the US.

Jun 29 @ 7:20AM  
I'm game to deport them ALL.

Execute all death row illegals immediately.

Since 5% of our workforce is illegal and we have 5% unemployment, it only makes sense that deporting them would bring us to 100% employment.


Jun 29 @ 11:44AM  
You should try living in England! Our country is roughly the size of Alabama, but we have a population of over 50 million! 90% of people in England are against immigration, but they are allowed to flood in here from all over the globe, meaning we're the only country in western Europe with a rising population. Half the crimes we read about in the papers are committed by these bloody 'asylum seekers' that we don't even want in our country in the first place!
The basic problem we have over here is that our government are complete arseholes, who don't care about anything to do with Englands national identity.
Actually the population is closer to 60 million and it is a law in the EU that Britain take in around 150 000 immigrants a year. I believe that our immigration laws should be changed so that you can emigrate to the UK unless you have a job that earns more than £12 000 a year or have enough money to support yourself and your family.
They are tightening the laws up but if the Europrats had their way we would have ALL the immigrants coming to the UK. I also think we should have lined the channel tunnel with explosives so we could blow it up if we go to war again.

Jun 29 @ 11:46AM  
That should have read can't emigrate to the UK unless. I should also have added that it's ok to come over if your spouse has the means to support you too.

Jul 2 @ 8:43AM  
Oh, PLEASE let me jump on this bandwagon if I could...

My solution to the ILLEGAL immigration problem would be for the United States (and England, God Save the Queen!) to apply the principle of Sectoral Reciprocity to Mexican Immigration Law.

What does that mean? We pass legislation that mirror-images their laws. We adopt their immigration law, and apply it to them. Mexico has the toughest immigration laws in the Western Hemisphere. If you are caught as an illegal alien in Mexico, expect a TWO YEAR prison term as a convicted felon. No lie.

Read this:

Mexico's Immigration Law

Mexico’s Immigration Law: Let’s Try it Here at Home

By J. Michael Waller

Mexico has a radical idea for a rational immigration policy that most Americans would love. However, Mexican officials haven’t been sharing that idea with us as they press for our Congress to adopt the McCain-Kennedy immigration reform bill.

That’s too bad, because Mexico, which annually deports more illegal aliens than the United States does, has much to teach us about how it handles the immigration issue. Under Mexican law, it is a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

At a time when the Supreme Court and many politicians seek to bring American law in line with foreign legal norms, it’s noteworthy that nobody has argued that the US look at how Mexico deals with immigration and what it might teach us about how best to solve our illegal immigration problem. Mexico has a single, streamlined law that ensures that foreign visitors and immigrants are:

* in the country legally;
* have the means to sustain themselves economically;
* not destined to be burdens on society;
* of economic and social benefit to society;
* of good character and have no criminal records; and
* contributors to the general well-being of the nation.

The law also ensures that:

* Immigration authorities have a record of each foreign visitor;
* foreign visitors do not violate their visa status;
* foreign visitors are banned from interfering in the country’s internal politics;
* foreign visitors who enter under false pretenses are imprisoned or deported;
* foreign visitors violating the terms of their entry are imprisoned or deported;
* those who aid in illegal immigration will be sent to prison.

Who could disagree with such a law? It makes perfect sense. The Mexican constitution strictly defines the rights of citizens – and the denial of many fundamental rights to non-citizens, legal and illegal. Under the constitution, the Ley General de Población, or General Law on Population, spells out specifically the country’s immigration policy.

It is an interesting law – and one that should cause us all to ask, Why is our great southern neighbor pushing us to water down our own immigration laws and policies, when its own immigration restrictions are the toughest on the continent? If a felony is a crime punishable by more than one year in prison, then Mexican law makes it a felony to be an illegal alien in Mexico.

If the United States adopted such statutes, Mexico no doubt would denounce it as a manifestation of American racism and bigotry.

We looked at the immigration provisions of the Mexican constitution. Now let’s look at Mexico’s main immigration law.

Mexico welcomes only foreigners who will be useful to Mexican society:

* Foreigners are admitted into Mexico “according to their possibilities of contributing to national progress.” (Article 32)

* Immigration officials must “ensure” that “immigrants will be useful elements for the country and that they have the necessary funds for their sustenance” and for their dependents. (Article 34)

* Foreigners may be barred from the country if their presence upsets “the equilibrium of the national demographics,” when foreigners are deemed detrimental to “economic or national interests,” when they do not behave like good citizens in their own country, when they have broken Mexican laws, and when “they are not found to be physically or mentally healthy.” (Article 37)

* The Secretary of Governance may “suspend or prohibit the admission of foreigners when he determines it to be in the national interest.” (Article 38)

Mexican authorities must keep track of every single person in the country:

* Federal, local and municipal police must cooperate with federal immigration authorities upon request, i.e., to assist in the arrests of illegal immigrants. (Article 73)

* A National Population Registry keeps track of “every single individual who comprises the population of the country,” and verifies each individual’s identity. (Articles 85 and 86)

* A national Catalog of Foreigners tracks foreign tourists and immigrants (Article 87), and assigns each individual with a unique tracking number (Article 91).

Foreigners with fake papers, or who enter the country under false pretenses, may be imprisoned:

* Foreigners with fake immigration papers may be fined or imprisoned. (Article 116)

* Foreigners who sign government documents “with a signature that is false or different from that which he normally uses” are subject to fine and imprisonment. (Article 116)

Foreigners who fail to obey the rules will be fined, deported, and/or imprisoned as felons:

* Foreigners who fail to obey a deportation order are to be punished. (Article 117)

* Foreigners who are deported from Mexico and attempt to re-enter the country without authorization can be imprisoned for up to 10 years. (Article 118)

* Foreigners who violate the terms of their visa may be sentenced to up to six years in prison (Articles 119, 120 and 121).

* Foreigners who misrepresent the terms of their visa while in Mexico – such as working with out a permit – can also be imprisoned.

Under Mexican law, illegal immigration is a felony. The General Law on Population says:

* “A penalty of up to two years in prison and a fine of three hundred to five thousand pesos will be imposed on the foreigner who enters the country illegally.” (Article 123)

* Foreigners with legal immigration problems may be deported from Mexico instead of being imprisoned. (Article 125)

* Foreigners who “attempt against national sovereignty or security” will be deported. (Article 126)

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Jul 2 @ 9:05AM  
I just hope the rumored NAU (North American Union) doesn't happen in my lifetime. Then Mexicans will totally invade the US and Canada. If that happens we haven't seen anything like it yet.

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