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Does anyone here still feel there should be gun control.The only thing gun control does is prevent law abideing citizens the ability to protect themselves.Killers are still going to get guns.There have been many occasions documented were normal people with guns have stopped mass killings.Do you think this could of been the case in va?We should hold our goverment responsible for taking away the 2nd amendment right to bear arms and defend our families if needed.

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maggiemae1969

Apr 23 @ 1:24PM  
I sit firmly on the middle of the fence on this issue its an ongoing battle that no one wins......

btw hi quicksilver I dont recall you being here before ...
Dominus

Apr 23 @ 1:26PM  
What I'm envisioning is this:

Imagine no gun control at all...everyone there on the VA tech campus was carrying a firearm on that awful day so they could "protect" themselves. Let's see how that would play out.

Typical scenario (as what has happened in Columbine, Flint, or VA tech) a small group of one or two very well armed people enter an area with the intent to kill others and open fire.

More than likely, unless you're paranoid, you don't go throughout your day planning for someone to shoot you, so no one else has beaten them to the draw and the first shots kill people, and send others fleeing in chaos.

A few people who decide to "defend themselves" hastily draw their weapons. Some may have them in holsters, others fumble with them in their book bags. The ones who get out their weapons first don't know who was just shooting, they just see lots of people who now have guns out. They pick some targets based on what they feel could be the right ones and open fire. What was a small action by a few disgruntled citizens has now become a multi person shoot-out.

A few others who are not so handy with guns fumble them out, then promptly shoot themselves, miss the "attackers" and shoot civilians, or forget they have the safety on and make themselves into targets by holding up a weapon they'll never get to use.

Oh, yeah. That would be much better.
MAS71

Apr 23 @ 1:26PM  
I completely agree with that. Normal citizens should have the right to protect themselves, family and property from idiot criminals that are too lazy to do anything but steal what others have worked to achieve.
And not only should all AMERICANS be able to bear arms, it should be just that.
Put it on the hip so everyone else knows whos packing. Criminals will definetly think twice about commiting a crime against someone with a gun on their hip.
Good_lil_feller

Apr 23 @ 1:27PM  
There was a blog on this last week, It got a little heated as well.
luv2liclst

Apr 23 @ 1:38PM  
I live in Az. and there has been many cases where citizens have defended themselves from gangsters and such. Although it is becoming less common, I have seen police and citzens comunicating with respect at a trafic stop, with both parties packing. In my openion, it's not nesesarily the police who are in the trenches that are concerned with gun control, but the legeslaters. The Second Amement works, and we as the people must defend it.
Indylvr53

Apr 23 @ 1:48PM  
I do not have a problem with someone owning a firearm. I have many friends who own them. What happened in VA. was a flaw in the process. The shooter was able to purchase the weapons because the doctors who examined his mental state blew it. If they had determined that he was a threat he never would have gotten the guns....at least legally.
As long as the gunowners are responsible and take the proper classes and have the guns in a gun safe at home to keep kids from getting them then I don't have a problem. Do hunters need M-16's to go hunting?....don't think so. You want a handgun to protect your family....fine no problem...does the general public need assult rifles...no they don't. The 2nd amendment is alive and strong if the citizens of this country show the responsibilty it takes to have a gun.
Finally...I believe nothing would have stopped this individual...he would have found a way to get guns even if he was denied the permit . It might have taken him longer to get them but he would have found a way. He was hell bent on killing.
featherone

Apr 23 @ 1:50PM  
so we should let every nut case have a gun? i think there should be laws who can have 1, why do you need 2 own a asault weapon for? i think a reg hand gun would do the trick of protecting ya house hold , just my opinion :)
bvatl

Apr 23 @ 2:00PM  
Bottom line is that in the big picture the VA killings was a drop in the ocean.

Every year 30,000 americans die due to firearms.
that equates to 82 PER DAY!!!!

Why are 32 at a college any different from the 50 others that died that day?

Or the 82 that died the day after.

Or the 82 that died/are going to die today?
DubKingSC

Apr 23 @ 2:02PM  
Hey think of it this way, no one including that asian kid at VT would have every tried something like this if they knew that people where armed in the building. They would have been tooken out by an armed citezen and maybe not all lives saved but a LOT LESS THEN 32 people would have dies. I can't stand people who are for gun controll they are a virus to not only American society, but on the human race. Use your brains people . The attack at VT was a horrible occurence that will never be forgotten, and could have been prevented. Hopefully people will learn from this horrible event.

REST IN PEACE TO ALL THE CASUALTIES OF THE MASS MURDER AT VIRGINIA TECH, YOU WILL ALWAYS BE REMEMBERED.
DubKingSC

Apr 23 @ 2:11PM  
If gun controll laws took all the guns away from citezens that would make are contry weakand prone to attack from an outside force just think waht would happen if no one had guns and we got invaded. America was built on princples of fairness, liberty, pride, and the individual citezens power. We are a country of power and dignety. There are a lot of stupid people in this beutiful country that weaken us though, if we countiue the way we are going this glorious nation won't last another 50 years . We need to change are attitude right now.
quicksilver444

Apr 23 @ 2:17PM  
I am from Florida were the law is if you even feel threatened by someone weather they are on your property or not ,if you feel your life is in danger you can shoot them.Over the last two years since this has been on the books roberry,murder and alot of other vilent crimes have dropped drasticly.Think about it if you were a criminal would you try to kill or rob someone in florida knowing they might have a gun or try in new jersey were they know you dont have one because you are not allowed
openmindedguy71

Apr 23 @ 2:19PM  
we still always come back to the problem that Gun control makes it harder for law abiding citizens to purchase and own guns. For many Americans this is not an issue. However there are many who have witnessed an experience like the shootings at VA tech or the guy at Johnson Space center in Houston, or the shootings in Kileen Texas 16 years ago that would like the opportunity to defend themselves. Domminus is right in that much confusion can happen with everyone owning guns. However the current system of criminals having guns and good people not is a bit skewed. Continued legislation just makes it easier for criminals to get weapons and use them without fear of very many people having guns to defend themselves. I personally do not like guns, but I fully support the right to keep and bear arms and agree that serious changes to gun control laws need to be examined. Which side is right? I dont think one can say. The arguments for both are well thought out and intelligent. I do however believe that any individual owning a gun should take a continued series of gun safety courses and be required to exercise a set number of hours each month at a shooting range. I see no problem with people owning guns, but I would prefer that they know how to handle them safely and with skill.
acworth

Apr 23 @ 2:34PM  
In Kennesaw Ga, the law states that if you own a home and do not have a felony, you Must own a firearm. Check out the statistics below. The pupulation rose about 600% since the law passed while the violent crime rate decreased 50%. Coincedince?

Crime Statistics

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City of Kennesaw 1981 (Year Before Gun Law Passed)
Population: 5,242
Total Part 1 Crimes: (per 100,000 pop): 4,332

City of Kennesaw 2005
Population: 28,189
Total Part 1 Crimes (per 100,000): 2,027 -7% from 2004

U.S. Average 2005
Total Part 1 Crimes per 100,000: 3,899

Summary: Although the population of the City of Kennesaw and surrounding area has increased dramatically since 1981, on a per capita basis crimes rates were actually lower in 2005 than in 1981.

Note: To control for population differences and make comparisons between jurisdictions more accurate and meaningful, index crimes are reported at the rate per 100,000 persons.

Part 1 crimes consist of: Murder, Non-Negligent Manslaughter, Rape, Robbery, Aggravated Assault, Burglary, Larceny, Auto Theft and Arson.


Argit01

Apr 23 @ 2:46PM  
We have some of the strictest gun control laws over here in the UK and if anything we still have shootings BUT the point is that without the control we have over who owns a gun and who doesn't we would have even more killings. A weapon does not keep you safe it merely makes you a target as does any weapon because it breeds an "I am a tough guy who is tougher than you attitude". Weapons can also make people less inhibited and in the wrong hands can actually be more danger to the people who own them and the public at large.
max49

Apr 23 @ 2:54PM  
I have to agree with Maggie. It's a no win situation.
BigFlirt

Apr 23 @ 3:18PM  
I believe we need some control. Who needs an AK-47 or an UZI or any weapon in there class other than law enforcement and military. I do believe I have the right to own shotguns, rifles and handguns for hunting and protection. But I also believe that no matter what the laws say, no matter how strongly they are enforced, if you or a criminal want a gun and have the cash you will get anything your heart desires. There does need to be much tougher penalties involved when you break laws and guns are involved, and I do believe that convicted felons have no right to own a gun of any type.
I blogged this last week, it resulted in many opinions, some very good opinions was given as well as some arguing. Good luck with your blog.
luv2liclst

Apr 23 @ 3:23PM  
so can a car.
hogar

Apr 23 @ 4:16PM  
A few years back, an assistant principal at Pearl High School in Mississippi, which was a gun-free zone, retrieved his legally owned Colt .45 from his car and stopped a Columbine wannabe from continuing his massacre at another school after he had killed two and wounded more at Pearl.

At an eighth-grade school dance in Pennsylvania, a boy fatally shot a teacher and wounded two students before the owner of the dance hall brought the killing to a halt with his own gun.

More recently, just a few miles up the road from Virginia Tech, two law school students ran to fetch their legally owned firearm to stop a madman from slaughtering anybody and everybody he pleased.

This is from an article by Ted Nugent on cnn.com

Nugent Article

Or pull up your state and see how many of your neighbors might not be here today if they didn't own guns!!!

Armed Citizen

Gun free zones are a recipe for disaster. I believe if a teacher has a conceal carry permit they should carry them to school. You can talk gun control all day long.. but the fact is these idiots are hell bent on killing people and are going to one way or another! I prefer to be able to defend myself if they try!
quicksilver444

Apr 23 @ 4:23PM  
Zero tolerance, huh? Gun-free zones, huh? Try this on for size: Columbine gun-free zone, New York City pizza shop gun-free zone, Luby's Cafeteria gun-free zone, Amish school in Pennsylvania gun-free zone and now Virginia Tech gun-free zone.

Anybody see what the evil Brady Campaign and other anti-gun cults have created? I personally have zero tolerance for evil and denial. And America had best wake up real fast that the brain-dead celebration of unarmed helplessness will get you killed every time, and I've about had enough of it.

Nearly a decade ago, a Springfield, Oregon, high schooler, a hunter familiar with firearms, was able to bring an unfolding rampage to an abrupt end when he identified a gunman attempting to reload his .22-caliber rifle, made the tactical decision to make a move and tackled the shooter.

A few years back, an assistant principal at Pearl High School in Mississippi, which was a gun-free zone, retrieved his legally owned Colt .45 from his car and stopped a Columbine wannabe from continuing his massacre at another school after he had killed two and wounded more at Pearl.

At an eighth-grade school dance in Pennsylvania, a boy fatally shot a teacher and wounded two students before the owner of the dance hall brought the killing to a halt with his own gun.

More recently, just a few miles up the road from Virginia Tech, two law school students ran to fetch their legally owned firearm to stop a madman from slaughtering anybody and everybody he pleased. These brave, average, armed citizens neutralized him pronto.

My hero, Dr. Suzanne Gratia Hupp, was not allowed by Texas law to carry her handgun into Luby's Cafeteria that fateful day in 1991, when due to bureaucrat-forced unarmed helplessness she could do nothing to stop satanic George Hennard from killing 23 people and wounding more than 20 others before he shot himself. Hupp was unarmed for no other reason than denial-ridden "feel good" politics.

She has since led the charge for concealed weapon upgrade in Texas, where we can now stop evil. Yet, there are still the mindless puppets of the Brady Campaign and other anti-gun organizations insisting on continuing the gun-free zone insanity by which innocents are forced into unarmed helplessness. Shame on them. Shame on America. Shame on the anti-gunners all.

No one was foolish enough to debate Ryder truck regulations or ammonia nitrate restrictions or a "cult of agriculture fertilizer" following the unabashed evil of Timothy McVeigh's heinous crime against America on that fateful day in Oklahoma City. No one faulted kitchen utensils or other hardware of choice after Jeffrey Dahmer was caught drugging, mutilating, raping, murdering and cannibalizing his victims. Nobody wanted "steak knife control" as they autopsied the dead nurses in Chicago, Illinois, as Richard Speck went on trial for mass murder.

Evil is as evil does, and laws disarming guaranteed victims make evil people very, very happy. Shame on us.

Already spineless gun control advocates are squawking like chickens with their tiny-brained heads chopped off, making political hay over this most recent, devastating Virginia Tech massacre, when in fact it is their own forced gun-free zone policy that enabled the unchallenged methodical murder of 32 people.

Thirty-two people dead on a U.S. college campus pursuing their American Dream, mowed-down over an extended period of time by a lone, non-American gunman in possession of a firearm on campus in defiance of a zero-tolerance gun ban. Feel better yet? Didn't think so.

Who doesn't get this? Who has the audacity to demand unarmed helplessness? Who likes dead good guys?

I'll tell you who. People who tramp on the Second Amendment, that's who. People who refuse to accept the self-evident truth that free people have the God-given right to keep and bear arms, to defend themselves and their loved ones. People who are so desperate in their drive to control others, so mindless in their denial that they pretend access to gas causes arson, Ryder trucks and fertilizer cause terrorism, water causes drowning, forks and spoons cause obesity, dialing 911 will somehow save your life, and that their greedy clamoring to "feel good" is more important than admitting that armed citizens are much better equipped to stop evil than unarmed, helpless ones.

Pray for the families of victims everywhere, America. Study the methodology of evil. It has a profile, a system, a preferred environment where victims cannot fight back. Embrace the facts, demand upgrade and be certain that your children's school has a better plan than Virginia Tech or Columbine. Eliminate the insanity of gun-free zones, which will never, ever be gun-free zones. They will only be good guy gun-free zones, and that is a recipe for disaster written in blood on the altar of denial. I, for one, refuse to genuflect there.

bentan

Apr 23 @ 5:16PM  
Just looking at things from the self-defense angle, what I don't get is why one person should be able to purchase multiple weapons. The VA shooter was able to buy two. Not that it would have made a difference in the VA shootings since the shooter used one weapon primarily but still there should be a greater effort to restrict guns at least to those really needed for self-defense.
zaralyon

Apr 23 @ 5:47PM  
so we should let every nut case have a gun?

There are laws in many if not all states dealign with at least the concealed firearms. I know in the state I live, at one time every single concealed firearms permit request went across my desk and several others. We do not even allow hunting permits for many who meet certain criteria. Not only that but unarmed security guards had to get concealed firearm licenses. Its not so much the gun control as the person with the gun that is the problem, people who want them will find them somehow someway.
Rocketdawg

Apr 23 @ 5:57PM  
Yea, since the war on drugs has been so successful, lets ban guns.

The W.H.O. just came out with a study that said the number one killer of people aged 13-24 in the world is automobile accidents. So do we ban cars too? I mean c'mon, who really NEEDS a car?
looking805

Apr 23 @ 7:17PM  
I live in California, 15 day waiting period, forms to fill out. If the state of Virginia had a little strickter laws, that guy would not have been allowed to buy any guns. Having said that there was nothing to stop him from buying knives. He could have killed with those. The mental health people are just as responsible for not alerting the authorities and the Va. Tech personnel.
Just my opinion.
cure4u2

Apr 23 @ 7:38PM  
bottom line......guns don't kill people.......stupid ,mental, twisted, evil fucks kill people, if their were no guns at all, these deranged assholes would find some other way to take an innocent life......
cabl_guy

Apr 23 @ 8:31PM  
Gun control? Yes! Breath in..........steady yourself........breath out halfway and squeeeeeze the trigger. Gun control is important if your targets are over 20 yards and/or moving.
Criminals will always find guns........that's a given. Yet, I have no problem with the background check. It won't hinder any of the 'career criminals' but, it does impact the new ones or hate crimes. Joe Yuppie gets a Chevy Lumina instead of a Porsche for his 18th birthday.........he can't go buy a Glock and shoot up the block without a waiting period. Or, a trip to the 'bad' neighborhood.
Simple point........severe gun control will NEVER happen in this country. Far too many hunters, rednecks and gun enthusiasts for it to get too bad. But, you also notice that MOST of the recent shootings involve people well above poverty level. It's not "John Doe", the dude living under the bridge who lost his "$30,000 house trailer to his ex.
That's WHY it's becoming an issue now..........in my opinion. It's become middle-to-upper class folks doing all of the damage as of late. They're all "fixed" with their doctors and meds, scholarships and green cards. Uh-huh! Tell me another lie, Big Bro!!
Gun control? Well, maybe............just MAYBE.......with all of the immigrants coming over to our country with beliefs from home. It might not be all bad. BUT, like everything else, they'll have more rights than the natives in the end.
I'll have mine regardless! If not guns.....a crossbow or sharp knife will do. Yet, "they" will get guns because we can't predjudice against immigrants.
Fuck George W. Bush and his daddy's coat-tails he rode in on! And, fuck the Electoral College and what it stands for! It has little bearing on MY life, overall.
Cple4bigafem

Apr 23 @ 9:54PM  
I dont really know all the details or have a big opinion on this but all I know is we should not have ours rights taken away bc some dumb nuts wanted to go kill some innocent people and kill himself..... and he deserved to die for killin all those people.. God rest their souls!
blndbluenswva

Apr 23 @ 10:20PM  
Lets see.

There is a law against murder, attempted murder, assault, carrying concealed weapon without a permit, carrying gun on campus, firing a gun in town limits, firing gun on campus, and on and on.

Do not think another gun law would have stopped this guy, or anyone else hell-bent on carrying out something this horrible.

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